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Wapo ends comments sections


And I just bought a subscription! The comments were informative and often funny. I feel like asking for my money back, since they have changed their product so drastically!

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Did they state a reason why? Yahoo did that awhile back as well. Guess all the toxicity from certain groups of folks?

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Not that I saw. I messaged their customer service and am awaiting a reply. I never noticed any vile speech--of course I always selected "reader's picks" and so never read the low-voted vile stuff, if there was any.

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Yahoo was great originally when the message feed just scrolled and there were no popularity ratings or censorship of unpopular opinions. That's how much of the word about the sketchy happenings around 9/11 got out. That's precisely why the right censored it and turned it into a Reddit like popularity contest. When freespeech is truly free the right can't game it but when they have thumbs up and thumbs down ratings hiding people's comments and only putting the popular comments at the top the freespeech dies in the dark.

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I used to post there regularly but their paywall has locked me out of most articles. I get most of my news from Daily Mail. They have really good comments and I believe it's the most widely read online newspaper in the world. They also have sections that cover news, health, showbiz, etc.

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Wikipedia says this about the Daily Mail:
The Daily Mail has been noted for its unreliability and widely criticised for its printing of sensationalist and inaccurate scare stories of science and medical research,[16][17][18][19] and for instances of plagiarism and copyright infringement.[20][21][22][23]

There is nothing about it being the most widely read online newspaper in the world, and I doubt that it is.
A survey in 2014 found the average age of its readers was 58, and it had the lowest demographic for 15- to 44-year-olds among the major British dailies.[11] Uniquely for a British daily newspaper, it has a majority female readership, with women making up 52–55% of its readers.[12] It had an average daily circulation of 1,134,184 copies in February 2020.[13] Between April 2019 and March 2020 it had an average daily readership of approximately 2.180 million, of whom approximately 1.407 million were in the ABC1 demographic and .773 million in the C2DE demographic.[14] Its website has more than 218 million unique visitors per month.[15]

Additionally it has been sued successfully a number of times. One of them was by Melania Trump:
2017, April: First Lady of the United States, Melania Trump, received an undisclosed settlement over claims in the Mail that she had worked as an escort in the 1990s.[173] In September 2016, she began litigation against the Daily Mail for an article which discussed escort allegations. The article included rebuttals and said that there was no evidence to support the allegations. The Mail regretted any misinterpretation that could have come from reading the article, and retracted it from its website.[174] Melania Trump filed a lawsuit in Maryland, suing for $150 million.[175] On 7 February 2017, the lawsuit was re-filed in the correct jurisdiction, New York, where the Daily Mail's parent company has offices, seeking damages of at least $150 million.[176]

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While anybody can edit Wikipedia, the site does have positive comments on the Mailonline website. Please don't confuse the Daily Maily website with the Daily Maily Tabloid. I do believe these are separate products. The Daily Mail is also independently owned. Most of these big news sources are owned by major corporations/billionaires.

Newsguard apologizing saying We were wrong. Also, stating that the website “generally maintains basic standards of accuracy and accountability”.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MailOnline

Wikipedia did note that it is the most visited english language newspaper website in the world. Comscore keeps track of that data. I do know it's comprehensive and covers the whole globe. It's also free and many articles are in a digest format. I liked reading the NYT article on Trump's estate tax shenanigans but it was effing twenty pages. Daily Mail would have cut that down to a couple pages and succinctly delivered the most important information.

Globally, MailOnline is the most visited English-language newspaper website;[3] ComScore gave the site 61.6 million unique desktop computer visitors for January 2014, ahead of The New York Times' website, which received 41.97 million visitors in the same month

The Daily Mail settled with Melania Trump but that doesn't mean their article was invalid. A lot of organizations settle with plaintiffs to avoid huge legal fees. The Washington Post settled with the Covington kid to avoid paying lawyers huge fees. Donald Trump is a litigious person so most people don't want to deal with him in court. I personally think Melania would do anything for a buck since she ended up with that sleazebag Trump.

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> A lot of organizations settle with plaintiffs to avoid huge legal fees.

That means nothing. When you settle for reasoning like that it might be the reason you read a paper that has such a poor reputation. See how innuendo and unqualified statements can be used unfairly?

You also skipped this: Microsoft Edge warned users against trusting content at the site, asserting that "this website generally fails to maintain basic standards of accuracy and accountability" and "has been forced to pay damages in numerous high-profile cases".[5]

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Based on my online research, 95% or more of lawsuits are settled out of court so a settlement does not impugn the reputation of the organization that settles. I worked at a company that fought an employment discrimination lawsuit and an executive told me that they should have settled to avoid the endless legal costs.

Per the link below, Microsoft Edge rescinded their Daily Mail warning after a week.

https://uk.pcmag.com/old-news/119451/microsofts-edge-browser-says-the-daily-mail-is-trustworthy-after-all

I am so much more informed than most people I know due to my daily reading of Daily Mail. My friend didn't even know that Halsey was biracial but I read about it in DM. I regularly enlighten my Aussie buddy about the latest news in Australia after reading DM. Quite often, I'll read about something in DM and CNN/MSNBC won't start talking about it until thirty minutes or an hour later. Read it today and thank me later. It's free and independent.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/ushome/index.html






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> so a settlement does not impugn the reputation of the organization that settles.

OK for you, but it does for me. I don't think these settlements and NDAs should be legal.

I will check it out, but it seems a lot like the National Enquirer, also which does some good reporting every few decades or so. ;-)

In general though I find the foreign news, and particularly the British news to be better than most American news. I started reading the Guardian some years back and now Wapo the Guardian, the French and Israeli news are where I start. I used to read the NYT but I don't like paying for it and then after a while they try to raise the price for me, and then they say forget it. Also, they don't have the discussion boards that Wapo does.

I am not sure there is really any news that is independent.

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On the television in the US, Newsnation on WGN prides itself on just the facts but they spend too much time on weather and human interest stories. To me, weather is more of a local issue unless it's catastrophic. I used to like watching the BBC but I have a hard time with the various accents of their commentators. I can barely understand the Brits but the English accents from Africa are impossible for me.

I recommend Mother Jones for independent investigative reporting. They are a nonprofit organization so their focus is on reporting instead of the bottom line. Their comments section is good but their moderators were tough. Daily Mail's comment section is outstanding since your profile shows your daily/weekly/monthly green and red arrows. I also get a lot of good but even more nasty comment replies on Daily Mail.

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I subscribed to the Daily Mail Online, and that is the most irritating website. There is a lot of potential as you say, but the page is so full of ads and stuff that is moving around that it is very hard to read comments or reply to them.

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From what I read they scaled back the comments section temporarily on certain stories. I just posted a comment to Wapo today. But for me one of the reasons I like Wapo is their comments section which I think is an important part of a newspaper. Yahoo News on the other hand has done away totally with their comments section and I make a point of never going there anymore.

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Well, they promptly refunded my subscription. No explanation offered though on why they stopped allowing public input.

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I believe it relates to section 230 protection for online providers. People are suing online platforms for offensive comments made by users. Both Trump and Biden wanted to remove section 230 protection. Both Daily Mail and Mother Jones have active comments sections but my user id was banned from Mother Jones for my comments about Laquan McDonald, the kid with the knife who was shot sixteen times. I used to post all the time on CNN/NPR/IMDB before they removed their comments sections.

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The new masthead for the Washington Post may be Cancel Culture Post (CCP, aka the Chinese Communist Party lackeys).

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WaPo assumes propaganda status.

At least they made it official.

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No they have not ... I just left two comments at WAPO today .

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