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Thoughts on this video.


Old video I would just like to hear what people think of this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reQJ4ExOdn8

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Sad state of affairs. I don’t know why the cop stopped, but he did wrong unholstering his weapon. If he thought this foul mouthed angry photographer was a threat he should have waited until backup arrived. It was an ugly disturbing scene. Respect has been wiped from the lexicon. The cop stopped, the foul mouthed photographer was looking for a confrontation to film...and he got it. Both were in the wrong. BTW, you do realize this video is almost 3 years old. Sorry, I’m not giving you what you want...blame the police always!

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Both were in the wrong? No actually the cop was completely in the wrong. I will support a cop full force if they are acting lawfully this was not the case though. The 1st amendment allows you to film police in public. Whether he was looking for a confrontation or not is irrelevant. That cop acted completely wrong. Had he just not fallen for an obvious ruse none of that would have occurred. Um did you read my description in my post? I said old video right at the beginning. This is not about demonizing the police it is about right and wrong. Want me to show you where a cop was in the right? Here I will get a link. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6vlu1FRaic

Watch that. I fully support the cops in this video. The first link I gave though no the cop was in the wrong. You do not unholster your weapon on someone unless you feel you are in danger. Your attempt to label me a cop hater was uncalled for.

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The foul mouthed photographer exacerbated the problem. He was wanting a confrontation on video and he got it. I wanted to yell “Shut up already! We get your point!” I wrote the cop was wrong when he unholstered his weapon. If he wasn’t sure of the situation, after all the guy sounded like a nut job, the cop should have placed himself in a safe position and waited for backup. The worst thing he did do was draw his firearm, which also exacerbated the problem.

When the cop’s superior arrived he seemed at a loss of how to handle situation. All he had to say was “I completely agree, sir. Officer xxxx did wrong by aiming his weapon at you. The incident will be looked into by Internal Affairs. I regret the incident occurred.” But, truth be told the foul mouthed photographer would continue his tirade.

I had no intention to label you as a cop hater. I’m sorry if it came across that way, but I wasn’t sure for what you asking. What was the purpose of the video?

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The photographer turned foul mouthed once the cop pulled the weapon. If someone points a gun at anyone it can create lots of anxiety because obviously guns can kill. Therefore even though I think he is a loud mouth I do not blame him for becoming irate. It is understandable becoming irate over that.

When someone does you wrong that way you are not really thinking rationally. From our stand point yes you can think that way, however in that situation it is a whole different ball game.

I was getting people's view on the video. Some people will have controversial opinions on the video. Well you alluded to the fact that it was a case of hating cops by saying sorry I am not giving you what you want, blame the police always.... I disagreed with your notion that both were in the wrong. That is a first amendment protected activity. No law was broken therefore the cop had no right to unholster his weapon. It really ends there. It has nothing to to do with hating or blaming the police. Yeah sure the guy is a loud mouth, sure he was looking to get the cops attention, but in the end cops need to deescalate a situation not escalate it.

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I believe the photographer baited the cop and the cop took it hook, line & sinker. The guy got what he wanted on film. I believe he’s the cop basher. I am curious as to why the cop stopped. We don’t know what was occurring before he pulled over. Did a resident call the police? Do you recall after 9/11 people were encouraged to report people who appeared to be taking too many photos or taking too long to film areas which could be cased for another terrorist attack? I cannot stomach watching it again, but I would appreciate an answer to the following:Did the cop have his hand on his weapon before the verbal altercation? No doubt the cop should have been disciplined as he could be a danger in the future.

The cop was wrong no doubt about it. Nowadays they have to be trained to take the verbal abuse and it appears physical abuse as well.

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The cop asked the photographer what are you filming for sir? The photographer did not answer. Cop said can you lower that I do not like things like that pointed at me can you lower that device? Photographer said these are cameras you know they are, cop said lower it and photographer said no I will not. Cop then placed his hand on his weapon. So no the cop did not have have his hand on his weapon before the verbal altercation took place. Photography alone can not be considered a crime. You can take a million photos of anything so long as you are on public property. Your eyes can not trespassed from public property. Taking too long to film in public is not a crime, there is no time limit to film in public. So that would be a bad reason to call the police and waste their time.

Perhaps he is a cop basher, but the cops need to not fall for that. The cop falling for such a ruse showcases he should not be a cop.

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I hate everyone in this video.

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why is that?

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The cop shouldn't have taken out his gun. The guy filming sounds like he's a smartass and thinks he has one over the cop by saying that he had a relative on the force. He even went as far to tell the cop not to unholster his weapon and even went as far as to tell the cop who asked to put the camera down, that he was ready to die. The other cops just didn't do enough to de-escalate the situation.

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The photographer is definitely a loudmouth. Telling the cop to not unholster is weapon I do not see being an issue. Him placing his hands on his gun would trigger anyone in that situation.

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The issue I see with him telling not to unholster is weapon is that it makes him look like he's ordering them.

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Hmm? Well I guess I view it different. Was he supposed to say nothing? I mean they did swear an oath to protect and serve.

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No, he could do the whole "you guys are making a mistake" or "I'm innocent" business, but telling him to not unholster his weapon is like telling him how to do his job. If the cop unholstered his weapon and asked what he was going to do about it, I wonder what his response would have been.

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That is a high stress situation, no one can know what they would do unless they were in that situation. Also apparently he needed to be told how to do his job since he was acting in an unlawful manner. That would piss me off as well if a cop placed his hand on his weapon when I am not doing anything illegal.

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I don't necessarily disagree, but this guy sounded like he wanted the cop to shoot just to prove that he was right.

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That was my thought too, like he wanted vindication as he lay dying on the street from a gunshot wound.

Told you these guys are ... no ... good .... uggggh.

On the bright side, that video would've racked up lots of views when his grieving family posted it.

The police shouldn't have gone for their weapons, I'm sure they recognized he had a camera and a phone not a gun. But the photographer guy made it really hard to be on his side because he was such an asshole. Trying to piss the officers off so he could film a confrontation. When you have a camera and the other guy has a gun, that's not too smart. 🤪

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It's like making fun of your bully. The bullying shouldn't be bullying, but making fun of them isn't going to do you any favours.

He was probably doing it so he could upload it to YouTube and get likes for it.

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Yeah I am not denying any of that, but the cop was totally in the wrong. That can't be tolerated. I am all for good honest cops but not corrupt ones like that.

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I’ve run out of text space in the other thread.

https://moviechat.org/bd0000082/Politics/6084c3bc4f24a446d4361d91/Props-to-Biden-for-acknowledging-the-massacre-of-15M-Armenians-in-1915?reply=608edd8bc120277aeee1a19e&animate=false

By accident I set off my security alarm this week. Security called me, but I couldn’t recall the phone code. My husband always took care of the security system and my mind drew a blank. While they were waiting I was talking to them using my phone’s speaker. I was looking through the drawer where we keep all of our manuals. After a while she transferred me to Customer Service to create a new phone code. I had been on hold for about 15 minutes, all the while looking for the info, when I noticed someone knocking on my front window. It was the police! I opened the door to a friendly officer. In back of him at a distance was another officer with her hand on top of her firearm. Downstairs was another officer standing on the driveway with his/her hand on top of the firearm. There were 3 police cars.

I’m relating the above to you in order to get you to understand police officers are trained to do exactly what the cop did in the video. In an unknown situation they have their hands on their firearms in order to quickly unholster if the need arises. The cop in the video met up with a non-compliant jackass! At first the cop had his hand on his firearm, but when the situation turned confrontational due the the jackass’s demeanor, the cop unholstered his weapon. The cop didn’t know with what or whom he had before him. The jackass got exactly what he wanted...a filmed confrontation with a cop in order to show cops aren’t human! If you notice, the backup cop had his hand on his firearm when he exited the vehicle.

BTW, again I repeat I didn’t call you a cop hater, but I honestly believe you wanted us to answer your question with...”Another cop doing wrong!” I did reply with “Always blame the police.” because that is what I derived.

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Did they point their guns at you? That is not even remotely close to the same situation. The cop knew those were cameras he said what are you filming for sir? Photographer no answer, he then said again what are you filming for sir? Photographer no answer. He then said sir I don't like things be held up to me like that can you put it down please? Photographer these are cameras you know they are. He then said okay I don't know what that is but lower it, photographer it is a camera no I will not. He then placed his hands on his weapon. If you can't tell the difference between a gun and a camera you should not be in uniform. The photographer became irate and foul mouthed. Do I think the photographer handled it poorly yes but you do not place your hands on your weapon let alone point it at someone unless you are in danger. He did not just place his hands on it he unholstered and pointed it at the photographer. With your alarm situation, they did not know whether there was immediate danger or not. I know how cops are trained I have a friend who is one.

No what rule was broken when the cop showed up? Cite the law he was breaking if you would. You are allowed to film police, you do not need their consent. His hand should not have went on his weapon period. The only time you place your hand on it is when you feel there is a threat or serious danger. The cop knew that was a camera, notice how he lied and said I did not know what that was. If that was the case why did he ask him what he was filming for?

I wanted people to say that was wrong what the cop did. It was an experiment to see whether people can call out a simple wrongdoing. I did another experiment a while back calling out a criminal when the police were nothing but polite and cordial. Sure enough there were those like you that came to the criminal's defense even though he was blatantly in the wrong and it was caught on video. You came to cop's defense by saying well both were in the wrong. No who is more at fault here? This is similar to people attempting to say well Floyd was a trash human so meh it was ok. No wrong is wrong.

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”The only time you place your hand on it is when you feel there is a threat or serious danger.”

How do you know when that is?

I’ve said from the beginning the cop was wrong to point a gun at someone who was not a threat...just a belligerent jackass. This cop didn’t know what he was dealing with. It doesn’t matter the cop knew it was a camera. The jackass was acting like someone on drugs. The cop didn’t know if the jerk had a weapon besides the camera. The jerk continued to harass the cop instead of complying. All he had to do is give respect, lay down the camera and it wouldn’t have escalated. The cop was wrong in taking the camera. Did you not see the back-up cop unsnap his holster & have his hand on his weapon when he exited the car? After assessing the situation he relaxed his hand.

You seem to forget after the Patriot Act was passed we were advised to report anyone filming buildings. I don’t know what the cop was thinking...do you? Do you know why the cop stopped with his flashers going? Did the jackass interfere in what the cop was doing? Yes, you are permitted to film in a public place. You just cannot interfere. Place yourself into the cop’s shoes with all the crazies running the streets. He didn’t know what he was walking into. There have been many law enforcement personnel cut down because they weren’t on alert.

No, a cop puts their hand on their weapon (not unholstering it) until s/he knows the situation. Just as was done on my porch! The officer in back of the one I was talking to had her hand on her weapon during the whole conversation. The one standing on the driveway had his/her hand on the weapon. They have to assess the situation.

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As a cop you are supposed to be able to assess a situation. They are supposed to deescalate a situation not escalate. Someone holding a camera is not a threat, if they believe it is they have no business being a cop.

You are allowed to have a weapon on you so long as you have a permit for it. The guy began becoming irate when the cop placed his hands on his weapon. He started behaving that way once the cop did that before he was just not talking much. He was giving the silent treatment until the cop told him to put the camera down. Could he have been more cordial? Yes but there is no law stating you need to explain to the cops what you are doing when it is a legal activity. I did see the backup do that but their case was different from the first cop. All they could see was someone yelling and their officer pointing a gun at someone. The first cop had time to assess and he pointed a gun at someone for screaming!

There was no interference he filmed and the cop did not like it. How did he interfere? Did he walk up in the cops personal space? No the cop confronted him. You are allowed to film in public when there is a crime seen they will tape it off. If you go into the restricted area that is illegal that was not the case here. So what you are saying is that everyone is a suspect because there are criminals out there? I understand go and assess a situation, if there is no illegal activity you move on to another area.

Doing that is not the same. Someone filming the police then being questioned and not answering does not make it okay to unholster the weapon. Had he just placed his hands on his weapon that would still be suspect but to point it at someone is utterly ridiculous. I do not care if the photographer is a screaming idiot or not. The cop broke the law not the photographer.

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”You are allowed to have a weapon on you so long as you have a permit for it.”

What does that have to do with the situation? Why did you bring that into the debate? Not so in many states. You have a screaming lunatic barking orders at a cop. The situation is getting heated. How certain can the cop be the next action will not be the jackass photographer drawing a weapon. It happens every damn day! Until that occurs I agree the cop should have his weapon at the ready, still holstered, but unsnapped with hand on the weapon. Having a permit hasn’t a thing to do with it. Criminals carry weapons without permits. Law abiding citizens carry weapons without permits. I do! You don’t know if this nutcase had a criminal record or not. He escalated the situation!

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In certain states no but do you know the state this occurred in? So because of paranoia it trumps deescalating? The cop did not think he was in danger he was on a power trip. The photographer wouldn't do what he wanted him to do therefore he escalated the situation. You are leaving out the fact that he pointed it at him. You realize no law was broken by the photographer right? All the illegal activity happened on the cops end. The only time a cop can get identification from somebody in many states is if you have evidence of a crime or you suspect someone of committing a crime. Otherwise they can not id or search who they please it does not work that way. I can scream profanity at the police all day and they could not do a thing legally so long as I do not threaten. Thing is no the permit makes no difference but the cop did not suspect the guy of having a weapon he was angry that the guy did not immediately tell him what he was doing. Notice how you pivot to this and trail off because you have nothing to retort the other stuff I said about the debate. Had the guy gotten belligerent off the get go of the cop him asking questions then you would have a case. He only got irate once the cop placed his hands on his weapon.

You seem to be the type of this mentality let them search your house I mean if you have nothing to hide no big deal right? I have refused searches or even identification not because I have anything to hide but because it is the principle of the matter. Hold anyone accountable for being in the wrong whether it be cops or criminals. Period. The cop was in the wrong, is the photographer a saint oh hell no but in the end that cop messed up. You literally can't make yourself admit I was right on this issue. You are not mature enough. I can admit that perhaps bringing up the permit was irrelevant. You however think you are right all the time.

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How many times do I have to write the cop was in the wrong to unholster his weapon? I agree with you. We don’t know what the cop was thinking. “Am I dealing with someone who could go off?” Yes, I’m aware no law was broken by the photographer lunatic.

No, I would not let law enforcement search my house without a warrant.

I will give you this...you are half right. The cop was in the wrong to point his weapon & have agreed with you in all of my replies.

Finally, do not tell me I’m not mature enough to agree with you! I am decades older than you. You are the immature one for not seeing this could have been avoided if the jackass photographer had come off his high horse and kept his damn mouth shut! The cop didn’t know if he was dealing with someone who could possibly have a weapon.

Why did the jerk wanna be photographer walk a block toward where the cop pulled over? Why did the cop pull over? If he pulled over because someone had a camera...that was illogical. But, if he did pull over for that reason, why so far down the road? Did he order the jerk with the camera to meet him when he pulled over? If he did, I can understand why the jerk photo taker was filming. I copied and pasted a statement from a law firm...Be respectful and comply. Doing so does not mean the cop was in the right. It’s the ADULT thing to do without throwing a tantrum. If you, cannot understand this...you have a lot of growing up to do.

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I know we do not know what the cop was thinking of what relevance is this to your point? We do not know what either of them were thinking now do we?

Good I would not either. I do not believe in giving up your rights for security.

The cop was in the wrong and if we weighed it out legally the cop is going to be in far more trouble than the photographer. The point is even if you want to fault the photographer the cop is far more in the wrong.

First off you do not know how old I am, second simply because you are older than a person does not mean you are more mature than them. The cop confronted him and he was giving the silent treatment, so you are saying if he had said nothing the cop wouldn't have done anything? Highly doubtful. He was giving orders which is what made the photographer tell him they were cameras and get into a verbal discussion.

You are acting as if I am not admitting the guy was baiting him. Cop baiters exist but you know the best way to deal with them do not give them what they want. My cop friend said it best they are looking for a confrontation if you give them nothing to film they will go away. When the ego kicks in it will not allow certain cops to do this. Which is what occurred here. You did copy that and I asked you what law was broken and you could not provide one broken by the photographer. Complying is a request not a law. Just because I do not wish to comply does not mean it gives the cop a right to escalate a situation. I already stated he should have not baited and been cordial but in the end the cop needs to be dealt with and he has no business being a cop.

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This is like beating a dead horse! We will have to agree to disagree.

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Yes I agree talking to you is like talking to a wall.

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Had to get that last word in, didn’t you? I ended the debate with civility.

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I think the guy filming has some deep seated father/ authority issues 😀.

It's a young cop, they tend to be a bit paranoid and can draw too quickly (especially if they are just out of the academy where they are taught EVERYTHING is a potential weapon or might not be what it is). A more senior cop would have tried to deescalate better.

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I think the cop should have shot him for his excessive use of "tyrant".

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Ha! I didn't make it that far, just know that the guy had some deep seated issues with authority and probably his father.

Most normal people don't interfere with a cop doing work.

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Thank goodness! Someone with common sense over this confrontation! 👏🏻👏🏻

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How did he interfere with the cop doing work? By filming him?

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Legally it is not "interfering", but it is certainly a unwanted distraction for the cop.

This is potentially a good training video for a police academy.

With the emphasis on "de-escalating a situation" it can show cadets how a wrong approach can quickly make a person combustible.

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”Most normal people don't interfere with a cop doing work.”

“Normal” is the key word. ”de-escalating a situation" did not occur by this cop. He was in error by not following that course of action. Yes, he was dealing with a lunatic, but he needed to come out the better person. Having unsnapped his weapon, putting his hand on his weapon is one action most cops do until assessing the situation. In this case, he committed a not so smart reaction to the jackass photographer...he drew and pointed his weapon at someone who was not complying. Then to top it off he confiscated the lunatic’s camera!

The whole incident was ugly. Both were in the wrong! First the cop making a mountain out of a mole hill. Secondly the photographer not being respectful even if he was in the right in his use of a camera. He also exacerbated the incident.

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It is an unwanted distraction but that cop handled that so poorly. The photographer is not a nice person but that cop is the one who is mainly at fault. I agree it would be the perfect video to train cops how not to behave.

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LOL!😅😂🤣

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Scary world to live in where people think like that.

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I'm not being serious.

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But, einstein believes you are. This poster will dig through the archives of your postings and attempt to show what a callous person you are. This poster will nit pick you to death’s door in order to prove you *were serious*. 🙇🏼‍♀️

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I know but the scary thing is often people are serious. I was simply thinking out loud. That is the society we live in. Blindly defend something because it leans towards your ideology.

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Sounds like some fuckwad was looking for trouble and found it. No sympathy.

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Therefore it makes it okay to point a gun at him? Interesting how was he looking for trouble because he filmed him?

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