When I hear Crazy old Bernie talk about his "movement"
...I think about what he'd really like to do to this country. Know what I mean?share
...I think about what he'd really like to do to this country. Know what I mean?share
What do you mean?
Easy. He wants to turn it into a socialist hell-hole (using the Cuban model, of course) while he lives like a king on Capitol Hill at everyone else's expense. Shitty Canadian healthcare my ass!share
At first it was Venezuela, now it's Cuba. When all the guy is really pushing for is a Canadian healthcare system.share
We already are socialist, freebies for wealthy, nothing for everyone else. I think real Marxism, as opposed to a plutocracy disguised as free-market laissez-faire, would be great leap forward.share
No we're not. If you look closer, people still have the freedom to make choices in what goods and services they want. Prices of goods are not determined by the American government, and that's a good thing. Wealthy people don't actually get stuff for free; and frankly, those who are on welfare are not getting it free, per se. They're getting "free stuff" at other people's expense, people like me and you, who work and pay taxes.
A simple description of socialism is theft by government. It is an ideology based on jealousy and laziness. Democratic Socialism is where the mob gets to choose who they steal the ill-gotten goods from, and is little more than that. Socialism and Communism are two sides of the same coin; the only difference between the two is, socialism is voted in; whereas communism implements the same policies by force. Worst part is, socialism is a form of government where you can vote your way in, but you have to shoot your way out after.
Honestly, I don't think we need to worry about Bernie the Bozo anymore. The DNC pulled another fast one on him, just like they did 4 years ago.
Prices of goods are not determined by the American government, and that's a good thing.
It's a good thing that working people cannot afford the basics like prescription drugs or health insurance? Without credit cards (which were only for the weathly until the 1980's) there would be almost no middle class or at least no lower middle class.
Actually though, without credit we would have no economy at all. Either companies would have bring their prices down or pay people more money to avoid a depression. But what happens when people who live paycheck to paycheck go into bankruptcy? What will that do to the economy? I used to be a capitalist (or at the least, believed in a laissez-faire economy), but now I think gov't has to play more of role in the economy. I don't think the markets are capable of self regulation anymore. To me credit cards are a pacifier in a crying baby's mouth. If you give people credit, then they do not realize that they are poor, so they keep spending money that they don't have and companies will still show a profit, don't have to give raises or lower prices. It's a win win scenario for industry and a lose lose for consumers. That is an unbalanced system to me and anything unbalanced goes against the laws of nature and anything that goes against the laws of nature will become extinct.
Before anyone starts the argument regarding personal responsibilty, I will say that most people will usually choose what they want over what they need. Also, industry makes billions even trillions off of people's poor economic decisions. How do you balance the economy that is credit based without either tipping in the direction bankruptcies and foreclosures or in the direction of less goods and services in the marketplace? My belief is gov't involvment in the price of goods and services. Goverment must fix prices of certain goods and services such as healthcare. I can't see another way except the current way which is a ticking timebomb of debt and probably another 2008 market crash.
Trust me, when the government in places like Cuba and Venezuela got control of the flow of goods and medicine, NOBODY could afford it. You think things are gonna be done better than what they did, you're dreaming. In fact, people in those two countries love the government's regulations so much, they fled to other countries to escape it. I can tell you right now that nobody who has ever lived in an actual socialist country, advocates socialism. It's usually spoiled, whiny, lazy people, who have never had to live under real socialism, who enjoy the riches and privileges of American capitalism, that advocate the strongest for it.
Our national debt would be solved if we could get other countries to buy our stuff. That's part of how a country gets out of debt, by the way. They sell more goods, and earn more money than they're spending. If only certain government officials would understand you can't spend your way out of debt, particularly to buy votes.
I am tired of people that want to discredit a socialist system always going to Cuba and Venezuela as the "socialist standard"? These countries were poor to begin with before socialism. Socialism did not make them that way. Why not bring up France, Germany, Canada or Denmark which have socialized medical system and have a very high standard of living? If you want to talk about poverty in the world, spend some time in rural Kentucky or West Virginia. They may as well be third world countries and they are in a capitalist system. I think it gives your arguement a fatal flaw when you keep pounding out the extreme in an any arguement. I can talk about capitalist countries, like Haiti that has the poorest standard of living in the Western Hempsphere and say look what capitalism does to a country. There are very very opulant parts of Haiti, but the rest of the country lives in extreme poverty. America is headed that way. People cannot live without credit cards today because capitalism exploits the masses.
You cannot trade your way out of a class system. That is a capitalist lie. We still export more goods than any country on earth, create more billionaires than ever, have the highest GDP and have 40 million uninsured people. People working two jobs and live paycheck to paycheck and it's only getting worse.
Whenever AmeriGirl says "trust me" it's a warning that she's about to say something she can't back up... which is why she requires the trust part.share
Haiti is poor because it has a corrupt government, and part of what contributed to that were the Clintons exploiting the locals with building a clothing factory there, as well as other greedy corporations taking advantage of the population. It wasn't specifically capitalism that caused all their problems. It was the island in general, as well as other nations in the Caribbean. Blaming any one entity for that is lazy thinking.
Socialized medicine was one of the worst ideas ever to come out of the EU. Many people over in Europe avoid going to the hospital unless it's a last resort, because their medical care in most of those countries sucks. Any who have extra money go to private hospitals in hopes of possibly getting some treatment. Germany is the exception to the rule. Canada's healthcare is all about waiting an eternity for medical treatment you desperately need, and the receptionists telling you they don't give a damn about helping you [the patient] so long as they get a paltry check from the government. I could write an entire book series on what's wrong with Canada's and Europe's healthcare system.
Part of the reason we have such issues with more people in America living below the poverty line, is the fact that certain politicians are so eager to buy votes and fund their expensive lifestyles, they tax us into oblivion. America has some of the highest taxes in the world. There was a time when a family of four could comfortably live off of one parent's income. 60 years later, you have to have both parents working just to make ends meet, or have them get jobs that pay over $75,000 a year each to make it.
If you love those countries' healthcare so much, why don't you go move there. They obviously do it better than America. Or are you too addicted to the goodies we have? Goodies you wouldn't have under a socialist regime.
I believe all of his efforts are aimed at improving the quality of life for the middle/lower classes and lessening income inequality. Per the article below, CEO pay has risen over 940% over the past forty years while the average worker's pay has only increased by 12%. Bernie has said that he wants the US to adopt some practices of Scandinavian countries and that includes single payer healthcare.
Agreed. 940% to 12% is ridiculous.
What's even more ridiculous is if you were to try to change the system to somewhere around 930% to 20% they call you a communist.
But...but...but...Sanders honeymooned in the USSR and praised the Castro regime. Are you saying the USSR and Cuba were socialist countries?share
It doesn't matter what economic system your honeymoon vacation takes place in. Nobody is going to assume you favor France's economic system over America's simply because you honeymooned there. But when it comes to Bernie, critics throw logic out the window.
In 2016 Obama gave the same exact praise for Cuba's push for education. That communist. But again, it's only bad if Bernie does it.
Who honeymoons in the USSR, pray tell?
Where would you like to go on our honeymoon? Fiji? Tahiti? Hawaii? Carribbean? Maybe Italy? Greece? Spain? Maybe we go on a budget honeymoon. Florida? California? Las Vegas?
No. I want to go to Soviet Russia! 🙄🙄🙄
If that doesn't seem strange to you, then you're hopeless. But then again, it's you, ultraviolent. 🤪🤪🤪
Who honeymoons in the USSR, pray tell?Your next president. Better than the current one who goes there to have hookers pee on him :)
According to you, the place where one honeymoons doesn't matter, yes? And yet, Bernie is a SOCIALIST. What is that? A coincidence? It isn't logical to assume why he chose the USSR as his honeymoon destination and just so happens to share the same economic sentiments? Seriously, indoctrinated much? It's only obvious. 🤪🤪🤪
You really believe Bernie wants a Scandinavian system?
Bernie wants a Canadian healthcare system.
Trump wants a big monument on the southern border that he can put his name on.
Notice how you completely gone dark about Bernie's honeymoon in USSR? Another example of your poor argumentative skills and bringing forth weak claims. Perhaps you'll catch another one of my typos so you can claim another "victory". 🤪🤪🤪
He wants a Canadian healthcare system? Then why doesn't he say that? Why does he always refer to Sweden and Denmark? So you are willing to reduce quality of service, eliminate consumer choice and increase taxes in order to get medicare for all, yes?
What's false is the trip was not a "honeymoon"? Thus, it was a "honeymoon" per you, yes?
Answer my question. What country are you from?
Thanks for posting this. This is a classic case of Trump's projection deflection. Trump has major ties with Russian mafia and he has been trying to build a tower in Moscow since the eighties Even though Trump is probably a Russian asset, the right-wing media is making a big deal out of Bernie's ten-day trip to the USSR. If they can get Trump's tax returns, they might be able to figure out how indebted he is to the Russian oligarchs.
Resort to "whataboutism" when it comes to Sanders. If it worked for Trump, I guess it'll work for Sanders, too.share
Is it the role of the government to rule over free enterprise (like it did in Nazi Germany)?
I say no.
I agree with you that government should not rule over companies but they do need to be regulated since many companies have proven that they will overlook safety/environmental regulations in order to generate more profits. Examples of this include Boeing 737 Max crisis, PG&E Erin Brockovich case and the Dupont Dark Waters PFAS case.
Instead of ruling over industry, Nazi Germany worked very closely with industry to ramp up their wartime economy. Many German companies benefited from forced labor at concentration camps and many Germany industry executives were found guilty of war crimes at Nuremberg. Hitler even named the head of the Krupp family the fuhrer of industry.
Does anyone "work closely" with dictatorships when they aren't allowed to disagree? I believe the Nazi government even set salaries (like Bernie would like to do).share
That's what he wants you to think. The man doesn't actually give a shit about the American people, and talk is cheap. He's no better than the rest of the swamp monsters.share
I know what Donald and his movement would like to do to this country. I don't have a clue what Bernie and his "movement" want to do.share
Bernie’s “movement” wants to steal money from people who have worked very hard to become successful and achieve the American Dream, and hand it over to people who bitch and moan because they can’t afford to pay for their liberal arts college degrees.
He’s a high profile thief. And he’s the leader of a deranged cult of college aged hippie stoners who think they are entitled to everyone else’s wealth, also known as the “free shit for everyone” crowd.
Really, what you described sounds no different from Trump or any other politician. Really, this is all nothing more than partisan nonsense and both sides are guilty of just wanting their party to win. The reasonable ones are few and far between.
Our entire political system is beyond corrupt and damaged.
No, Trump, according to people, just wants to keep rich people rich.
Bernie wants to steal from the rich to give to the lazy. There is a difference. Politics in general is just another term for hypocrisy. I just wish there weren’t so many damn extremists.
I will agree with your last sentence though, 100%.
I should have been more specific--I was referring to your "high profile thief" portion. Donald is also a high-profile thief--only he's stealing from the poor/middle class and giving to the rich.
I should have quoted the portion of your post but I hate the way the quote system works on this site.
You just described the Sanders' voters as Trump voters. Trump voters are entitled to medicade because they are white and think the black people are getting freebies that they are entitled to, so they vote for Trump thinking he will cut the programs just on those people and not them. More poverty in the Midwest now more than ever. Suicide rate among farmers has risen 34% under Trump and the family farms will be not existant replaced by corporate farms. Tax cuts for billionaires, not small business owners or entrepreneurs, but corporate mulitnational entities that ship jobs overseas, not job creators. The national debt has risen from 18 trillion to 23 trillion in less than 4 years because of Trump's tax gifts to billionaires who inflate the stock market by buying stocks with those tax gifts. If that is not socialism, then I don't know what is.share
Yeah, of course, I described Trump instead of Bernie, or Bernie instead of Trump...I can’t keep it straight anymore, so whatever you say. 🙄
There are so many hypocrites and brainwashed sheep to these politicians. That’s one thing I know for sure. I can’t remember the last time we had a logical non extremist human being running for president. I do know that I will vote for a used toothpick for president before I vote for Bernie Sanders and his socialist cult.
Inflating the stock market? Hey, isn’t the stock market going up a good thing??? My 401k has been kicking ass the last year. And I’m in the lower middle class. I also saw more money in my paycheck after the tax cuts...which I’m happy about as well. I’m certainly no billionaire...so why did I notice more money in my paycheck? Isn’t it all supposedly going to them? I’m scratching my head here.
By the way, I’ll expect half of your paycheck in the mail in the next few days, because, you know, socialism is great and all. So please send that to me. What’s yours is mine. Spread the wealth. I’d rather not work for it. Much easier to just sit back and get free money like Bernie says.
The good part starts are 3:54
It's an unfortunate reality. People complain about how bad Castro and the Ayatolla are, but ignore the extremely bad regimes before them that were supported by US elites which lead to them being overthrown.
The issue isn't that Bernie is old and senile/radical. The issue is he's old and remembers what happened before most of us were born.
Yup. It's so backwards. The Saudi dictators force a fundamentalist ideology on their citizens, but since those dictators shake hands with us we give it a pass. Meanwhile Iranian leaders are democratically elected by citizens who are far less radical, but since those leaders don't shake hands with us we call them Islamic fundamentalists.share
Bottom line--most in DC elected to represent us (from BOTH sides, really) are NOT looking out for your or my best interests. They haven't for a long time.
While I do feel the dems are the lesser of two evils at this point in time, both sides are guilty of this and it's downright disgusting.
People who call Trump a symptom are correct.
The actions of the DNC last night are proof positive that we, the people, DO NOT MATTER to either side of the fence over in DC. We never have.
And what we seem to be are innocent people caught in the middle of an elitist pissing match. That's all we are. Our votes really don't seem to mean a damn thing.
I'm at a point now where I wouldn't at all be surprised if we not only see Donald for a second term but perhaps even beyond that. Miserable bastard has been continuously shocking me as of late with how much he's successfully usurped our laws and faced no consequences. What's really to stop him from somehow becoming president for life? Ever since Donald took office, life here in America has felt like the Twilight Zone and, for the first time in my life, I really believe that any scenario that may have been laughed off as ridiculous once upon a time might not be far-fetched in today's Trump playing field.
Yeah, I'm sounding defeatist and pessimistic, but...just look at all he's gotten away with. Look at his strong support. Yeah, he only has 35% of the country but they stand STRONGLY UNITED while the dems are fighting among themselves and losing to a stupidly-easy to beat candidate as Donald Trump.
This whole thing is ridiculous.
I've actually seen some Trump supporters on Yahoo and other forums defend the stoning of gays.
I'm actually shocked by how much Trump and his movement reminds me of Islamic movements. They really do have a lot in common in terms of ideology.
From my experience, I have noticed that people who are extremely homophobic are either closeted homosexuals themselves or have been sexually abused. I don't know any heterosexual, healthy men that are that homophobic. Some might feel uncomfortable with homosexuality, but someone that hates it that badly is dealing with his own demonsshare
He was one of the only guys using the chair.
Why don't you guys quit parroting Trump's silly, childish nicknames?
They aren't original or funny.
Are you too simple-minded to string together an intelligent discussion?