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Sandiers Is Communist and His Supporters Don't Know That


A Socialist believes in privately-owned and run businesses aka capitalism. Sanders doesn't.

The Democratic Socialists Party states that all businesses should be run by workers. No private ownership. Sound familiar? They acknowledge that may not be possible in the beginning therefore the government can also run them. How is that not communism?

The only one difference is that countries like the Soviet Union were against democracy like freedom of the press and free elections. Democratic Socialist want to keep democracy.

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Sandiers will never win, doesn't have the votes.

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People need to stop calling him a socialist when he's really a communist. And his Democratic Socialist party has zilch to do with the Nordic model practiced in Sweden and Norway. They actually like capitalism and support private businesses.

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Sandiers must be a new candidate as I have never heard of him. But if you say he is communist then I suppose he is one.

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I hope you're right. Democrat voters as of yet have shown themselves to be quite naive regarding where they get their freedom and prosperity from.

Though I'd like to believe the majority of the country is smart enough to never vote a socialist commie into office, I have doubts. I see and hear a lot of very dumb things from democrats whom otherwise are intelligent business people and conduct their household and daily lives with common sense. They just appear to be incapable of translating their reality to their political views.

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Hahahahaha!


Big Pharma's starting to become unhinged now that Bloomberg crashed and burned just like creepy Uncle Joe...🤣🤣🤣


Seriously, dood, you sound like a Trumper...


Unless.......................................could it be?.................................................Hillary, is that you?



The moderate horse is dead, stop flogging it...


Interesting insight from 538---

"Well, looking at candidate support by age and ideology, there’s actually several things of note. First, while very liberal young people make up Sanders’s core constituency, he also does very well with somewhat liberal and even moderate young people, and quite well with very liberal older people, too. And second, moderates’ support is split by age: younger moderates like Buttigieg (in addition to Sanders), while older moderates like Biden."


We're from Vermont!~ We do what we want!

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My comment wasn't about support. It was about the definition of Democratic Socialism. This is from the Party's own website:

"We believe that the workers and consumers who are affected by economic institutions should own and control them. Social ownership could take many forms, such as worker-owned cooperatives or publicly owned enterprises managed by workers and consumer representatives."

That's communism! Here's more...

"While the large concentrations of capital in industries such as energy and steel may necessitate some form of state ownership, many consumer-goods industries might be best run as cooperatives."

Their ultimate goal is to eliminate all private enterprises:

"In the short term we can’t eliminate private corporations ..."

The one difference is that Sanders supports democracy. But, if I'm deprived of starting and owning a business, then how is that true democracy?

Communism doesn't work. And most Americans don't want that here. We won a Cold War against it.

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I think you are going off the rails here. Trump has been a horrible prez, no question. Just about anyone would be better. Sanders cannot dismantle our democracy if we are fortunate enough to get him in office. To point to some far left ideology to undermine what he wants to help poor and middle class Americans with isn't helpful.

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Sanders won't dismantle anything because Americans won't vote for a communist. Trump will be reelected.

Trump will dismantle the democracy as he's been doing for the past 4 years because Democratic voters are too simple-minded to realize that a moderate - not extremist - is needed to run against Trump. A moderate can expand support whereas an extremist can't.

Trump is an extremist who hasn't been able to expand his support. He's lost supporters like Republican women and suburbanites. Also, disenchanted Republicans are leaving their party and identifying as Independents. If Democrats can nominate a moderate Democrat, then those same people along with never-Trumpers and Democrats can win the election. Liberal democrats never win national elections. Most democrats are moderate, anyway, especially in the swing states.

"he wants to help poor and middle class Americans"
Trump supporters swear that they have already been helped because the economy is doing so well. Are you disagreeing?

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As you have said, the economy IS NOT doing well. If people are mesmerized into thinking so, I don't know what to do about this. He's a con artist, and not even artful about it. I just figure our education system has been so crippled by pubs that now they can push an idiot like trump on them and they salivate like dogs. I'm at a loss as how to fight this scourge. It's very depressing.

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Trump tweet:

"Looks like Crazy Bernie is doing well in the Great State of Nevada. Biden & the rest look weak, & no way Mini Mike can restart his campaign after the worst debate performance in the history of Presidential Debates. Congratulations Bernie, & don’t let them take it away from you!
Twitter · 4 hours ago"

Trump and Putin want Sanders to win because they know he'll lose in the general election.

"I'm at a loss as how to fight this scourge."
Democrats need to vote for the candidate most likely to win. That's not Sanders. I really believe Democrats are their own worst enemy. A democrat president and majority Senate have to win 2020 for any changes to take place.

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I share your concerns, but trump was a radical candidate who snuck in on a technicality, and some think dems need a similar person to shake up the formula. If young people support Bernie, I think that means they would vote for him as well, not sit the election out.
But with Russian meddling, I don't know what to think anymore. They likely have a presence here and everywhere trying to divide the dems so the puppet trump gets to dismantle our balanced form of government even more. It's horrible and sick, but if you think Joe Biden is the answer, you are probably wrong. I once thought Joe was the right guy, but now I don't know. I have liked most of the dems, even the ones who have withdrawn, so I don't know what formula there is to get the right candidate to defeat a moron like trump.
I think smart people don't want to be politicians, only aspirational ones with questionable ethics.

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There are people who know what type of candidate wins elections because they work for political campaigns for a living and get people elected. Bernie won't win. Period. Here are the stats:

Most of Sanders support are progressives and young people. Progressives are only 8% of Dem. voters. They're the most vocal but also likely NOT to vote if candidate doesn't meet their purity test.

Young people don't vote - usually only 15% of them. Who votes? Older Americans, especially women - 71% for 65+ y.o.. Older voters will determine the next few elections.

Traditional Liberal Democrats are 25% of Dem. voters and most likely to vote. They are older and support Biden.

Moderate Democrats are 24% of Dem. voters and most swing states are moderate and have become anti-Trump. They're not going to vote for a communist. They also support Biden.

update: Moderate Bloomberg may move up and replace Biden. I still believe Biden is the best chance because Bloomberg has so much past baggage and I don't know how anti-Semitism will playout in those swing states.

Historically, moderate Democrats and Republicans win presidential elections - not extremist. Trump is an exception.

How Democrats can lose:
political desires over practicality, emotions, policy wish fulfillment fantasies, extremists instead of analytical based on on polling data analysis & turnout models...

"trump was a radical candidate who snuck in on a technicality"
I disagree. Anyway his chances of winning as an incumbent are very good. Don't underestimate him.

"only aspirational ones with questionable ethics."
I'm not so cynical. I think some politicians want to make a change for the good. Anyway, my congressperson is very good and I have no complaints. I like my two senators also.

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Maybe they don't care. I didn't see you condemning communism when I gave all the Democrats on this board a chance to.

https://moviechat.org/bd0000082/Politics/5dc4724bff1bdb1de34b282a/Do-any-Democrats-here-oppose-communism

Instead you joined in to defend Antifa, a violent totalitarian group founded by the German communist party that's still filled with communists and normalizes communist rhetoric. No Democrats posted to oppose communism. That thread wasn't frivolous. I saw what was happening and took the temperature. The result was a red flag (no pun intended).

The push back is too little too late. You saw what happened to Bloomberg. The Democratic Party is too far gone. You're reaping what you've sown.

If Sanders does get the nomination you should reconsider your "team" affiliation and decide whether you hate Trump more than you oppose communism. Otherwise it'll be hard for your ignorant party comrades to take your dire warnings about communism seriously if this just looks like a normal intraparty squabble, and you're still saying you'll vote for the communist over Trump this fall.

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Fascism definition:
Fascism is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and strong regimentation of society and of the economy which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe.

You support Fascism. I don't. Like I said in previous posts, you support Putin and other dictators. You also want to see Trump turn the U.S. into an autocracy. That's how I know you're a fascist.

Both Trump and Sanders are populists who want to destroy the U.S.. I'm going to assume you're not doing well financially or you wouldn't be so interested in destroying the U.S..

I don't support anyone who would destroy the country including Trump or sanders unlike your anti-American self.

"You saw what happened to Bloomberg."
I'm not sure what you referring to. You're not jealous because he's rich, are you? Bloomberg is a real self-made multi-billionaire unlike Trump.

""team" affiliation"
You're into tribalism. Not me.

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You support Fascism.

So you're just a lying idiot. Someone so stupid you can't even come up with plausible lies. For the record I'm a libertarian who opposes totalitarian ideologies of any stripe, and I've been genuinely anti-Putin all along, unlike you (as this thread helps prove: https://moviechat.org/bd0000082/Politics/5e44606390599a1221c85638/Question-Democrats-do-you-prefer-Obama-or-Trumps-policies-on-UkraineEastern-EuropeRussia ). You're clearly just scrambling to come up with excuses for why you'll be voting for the "communist" Sanders this fall instead of Trump (the real reason is because he'll have a "D" after his name instead of an "R"). You'll fail in your quest, in part because you and your craven partisan ilk have zero credibility. You can't even haven an honest discussion on a message board.

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Now who's the conspiracist?

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What is democratic socialism from the party website:
https://www.dsausa.org/about-us/what-is-democratic-socialism/

If you're going to support something, then at least take the time to know what it is.

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You're unraveling mate.

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First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win.

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If you're going to support something, then at least take the time to know what it is. Are you even American?

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The Denmark model isn't a communist one. You're losing it.

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I know that dolt. If you read my earlier post (scroll-up) I already pointed that out:

"And his Democratic Socialist party has zilch to do with the Nordic model practiced in Sweden and Norway. They actually like capitalism and support private businesses. "

The Nordic model practices Social Democracy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_democracy

You owe me an apology.

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You owe this board an apology. Bernie's model is the Denmark model. Bernie supports capitalism. Just because you disagree doesn't make you correct.

The Nordic model practices Social Democracy.
It sure does. And I know of one senator currently running for president that is campaigning on same.

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"Bernie's model is the Denmark model."

No, it's not. Denmark is social democracy. Your commie candidate is a Democratic Socialist:

"Democratic socialist Bernie Sanders is too far left for Sweden's ruling Social Democrats, official says
"We were at a Sanders event, and it was like being at a Left Party meeting. "It was a mixture of very young people and old Marxists, who think they were right all along. There were no ordinary people there, simply."

Why would a Swedish Social Democrat favor Buttigieg over Sanders? Well, democratic socialism is different than Sweden's social democracy — the "Nordic model" Sanders touts — "and, unfortunately, Sanders has contributed to this confusion," writes MIT political economist Daron Acemoglu. Democratic socialism seeks to fix the iniquities of the market economy by handing control of the means of production to a company's workers or "an administrative structure operated by the state," he explains. "European social democracy is a system for regulating the market economy, not for supplanting it."

Lars Løkke Rasmussen, then the prime minister of Denmark, made a similar point in a speech at Harvard in 2015. "I know that some people in the U.S. associate the Nordic model with some sort of socialism," he said. "Denmark is far from a socialist planned economy. Denmark is a market economy," albeit with "an expanded welfare state which provides a high level of security to its citizens."
https://theweek.com/speedreads/896948/democratic-socialist-bernie-sanders-far-left-swedens-ruling-social-democrats-official-says

You owe me two apologies.

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Bernie is both. The two have a lot of overlap, especially in the context of the United States.

Bernie is a dem-soc in the context of medicare for all and tuition-free college. Both those institutions require an overhaul of their capitalistic infrastructure which cannot be accomplished with social democracy.

Bernie is a socdem virtually everywhere else. $15 an hour minimum wage is an example of a socdem policy as it requires no overhaul to institute wage regulation... something we do all the time to a smaller degree. Taxing Wall Street speculation is another example of a socdem policy as it requires no overhaul of capitalism to alter the tax code... something we do all the time to a smaller degree.

In order to attain the Denmark model of healthcare and college now, democratic socialism is required. Social democracy may get it for us down the road... maybe... if we're lucky and the DNC turns into a legit social democratic party. But that sure as hell ain't happening any time soon when they're still putting up candidates like Bloomberg, lmao.

I accept your apology.

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Now, you're making poor excuses for Sanders when he never asked you to. Sanders has identified himself as a Democratic Socialist aka communist. Everything else you wrote is moot.

"medicare for all and tuition-free college. Both those institutions require an overhaul of their capitalistic infrastructure which cannot be accomplished with social democracy. "
What nonsense! Many social democracy countries have this already.

"Taxing Wall Street speculation"
Why do you want to tax the middle-class instead of the rich?

"In order to attain the Denmark model of healthcare and college now, democratic socialism is required."
That's dumb. Denmark rejects democratic socialism. No country practices it.

"But that sure as hell ain't happening any time soon when they're still putting up candidates like Bloomberg, lmao."
Thank God!

"I accept your apology. "
You owe me 3 apologies.

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The majority of the middle-class have their retirement funds in the stock market.

Words and concepts you don't understand. Like I wrote, most Sanders supporters don't know he's a communist.

Sanders lost in 2016. I remember it well. He and his snowflake cult cried about it endlessly.

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Since you don't know how to scroll up.

"My comment wasn't about support. It was about the definition of Democratic Socialism. This is from the Party's own website:

"We believe that the workers and consumers who are affected by economic institutions should own and control them. Social ownership could take many forms, such as worker-owned cooperatives or publicly owned enterprises managed by workers and consumer representatives."

That's communism! Here's more...

"While the large concentrations of capital in industries such as energy and steel may necessitate some form of state ownership, many consumer-goods industries might be best run as cooperatives."

Their ultimate goal is to eliminate all private enterprises:

"In the short term we can’t eliminate private corporations ..."

The one difference is that Sanders supports democracy. But, if I'm deprived of starting and owning a business, then how is that true democracy?

Communism doesn't work. And most Americans don't want that here. We won a Cold War against it."
https://www.dsausa.org/about-us/what-is-democratic-socialism/

If he supports private enterprise, then he shouldn't be identifying with a political party that is against it.

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" Is bernie now apart of that party? "

Yes, he is. And they're commies.

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Sanders is too much of a coward to "officially" belong. He hides behind being an Independent when he runs for office because he knows people don't like commies.

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You're wrong! His supporters know VERY WELL he's a secret communist posing as a socialist democrat (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moWe3rk7LzQ). You can tell with the hints he gives with 'revolution' and 'radical' like political revolution and here's a radical idea. He's woke the illegals and the poor. If people are willing to vote a radical to counter a cultist on the extremes, it just shows Trump's so-called economy isn't benefiting them if at all (less than 40% own some form of stocks for retirement, etc.).

He's already won 3 stares so far now, Nevada being the latest. The establishment are getting really worried their mutli-moderate/centrist candidates aren't in the lead since they've broken them up while Bernie remains the only one of his ilk.

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"Bernie remains the only one of his ilk"
Not true. Warren is a progressive and his main competition.

"His supporters know VERY WELL he's a secret communist posing as a socialist democrat "
You're confused too. He's not posing as a socialist democrat. He said he's a democrat socialist which is communist although he denies that label. Most people don't know it's communism and Sanders want's to get rid of all private enterprise. Socialism has private enterprise.

Using the term "revolution" doesn't mean anything. There was a sexual revolution too which had nothing to do with communism. Radical just means left-wing like reactionary means right-wing. That's not really a communist term. Sander's supporters sound really clueless to me because they continue to use the socialist term instead of communist like they're afraid of it.

"He's already won 3 stares"
2 states.

:"He's woke the illegals and the poor.'
Illegals and poor don't vote.
His supporters appear to be young and jobless who want a free handout. They don't vote either.

Biden and Bloomberg are the only two moderates in play. Mayor Pete has seen his best performance and will lose momentum quickly. The other candidates were never in play.

"If people are willing to vote a radical to counter a cultist on the extremes"
Both Sanders and Trump are cultists, populists and extremists. Trump's enemies are immigrants and nonwhites. Sanders enemies are the rich and companies. Both are angry at the status quo (which made them both successful) - faux anger on their part. Too bad supporters buy into their bull.

I see a disproportionate amount of young people in the caucuses. They don't reflect democratic voters.

Hopefully, Biden and Bloomberg will gain momentum.

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Keep hoping then. You're such an elitist tool.

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I'm going to assume you have no job or a low-paying one and want a free hand-out (Medicaid for All, free college) . If you're waiting for a politician to save you, you're going to have a sad and poor life.

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Low-paying jobs were not the thing responsible for a "sad and poor life" until reaganomics stagnated wages indefinitely. Now having sad and poor lives due to low wages is a reality many many many many people are dealing with. And the answer of the reaganomists is always the same. "GET A BETTER JOB."

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Finally we agree!

The real answer is to raise taxes of the rich which helps income inequality. Until then, the real solution is to get a better job. That won't help everyone, but at least try to help yourself.

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Continue to wait for a politician to save you! Trump's cult has been waiting three years now. If he was so successful, how come Bernie's cult is still poor?

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You're as dopey as the Trump cultists.

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You don't like the establishment because you're a failure in it so you want to burn it down. How selfish of you!

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You're the one crying about the evils of capitalism. Or are you just a snowflake and it's your MO ?

Obviously I'm right since you're a Sanders' cultist and don't know he's a commie.

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""Bernie Sanders is not a Democrat," said Steve Schmidt, a Republican political consultant who ran Sen. John McCain's 2008 presidential campaign and opposes Trump. "He is a socialist, and he supported communist revolutionaries all over the Western hemisphere in the 1980s at the height of the Cold War. These positions are antithetical to the values of the country, and certainly explains why the Trump campaign is so enthusiastic about Bernie Sanders as an opponent.""

On his Nicaragua visit in 1985 Sanders sat down with leader Daniel Ortega, whom he later called "a very impressive guy." At the time, human rights activists had documented serious abuses by Ortega's government.

On a trip to the Soviet Union in 1988, Sanders criticized American foreign policy to such an extent that one of the Republicans on the trip rose to rebut him and then stormed out of the room, he told NBC News.

In 1989, Sanders visited communist Cuba and lauded the country's "free health care, free education, free housing," while dismissing the government's holding of political prisoners by saying Cuba was not a "perfect society," according to The Free Press of Burlington.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/will-sanders-long-ago-praise-socialist-regimes-hurt-democrats-november-n1139811
Commie!

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Interesting to see you supporting communism.

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Low-paying jobs have always existed, but before reaganomics, low-paying jobs were able to make ends meet. That is the problem that needs to be fixed in order for the issue to go away. The 'better job' mentality does nothing because the better jobs aren't there to the extent the reaganomists claim they are. It's a complete misunderstanding of the system.

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Reagonomics lowered the taxes rich people paid.

Better jobs aren't going to be available for everyone. You just need one.

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Why do you want to work at Walmart?

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Teenagers living at home who want to earn extra money while they're in school can work at Walmart or McDonalds.

Those jobs weren't for adults supporting a family. They were meant to be temp jobs during the summer or working your way through school.

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Ok, ok ok, Bernie Sanders is not Donald Trump. The reason he's doing so well is because people are sick of the same centrist bullshit that Clinton tried in 2016 and Buttigieg and Bloomberg are repeating now.

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Historically, income inequality tends to favor populists, demagogues, fascists, autocrats and dictators rise to power. That's what happened during the 1930s-40s with the rise of Hitler, Mussolini and Franco and the reason we're seeing it now worldwide. The middle-class in other countries are also losing economic ground.

Sanders and Trump are both populists and extremists who threaten to destroy what America stands for. Trump wants to destroy democracy. Sanders wants to destroy capitalism.

Clinton ran a poor campaign in 2016 and was never liked.

Moderates are actually favored to win presidential elections because a coalition needs to be formed with several demographic groups. Also, the true race is not national, but in 10-15 swing states which are more moderate than NY. If you're a NYer, like our username implies, then you don't even count in the 2020 election because NY is a solidly blue state. You may be more liberal, but the candidates don't need to appeal to you. They need to appeal to the more conservative voter in Colorado, Georgia, and Minnesota.

It's also important to focus the election on Trump's many failures. Sanders will only bring an unneeded culture war to the elections. Trump's capitalism will win over Bernie's communism talk in the swing states.



beucse NY will vote for any dmeocrate

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You sound like a Putin mole. I doubt if you're even registered.

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Yet you don't deny it.

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"Sanders was asked to disown online harassers that claim to support his candidacy, commonly referred to as “Bernie bros,” on the internet, at both a CNN town hall on Tuesday and Wednesday night’s Democratic debate in Las Vegas, Nevada. Sanders responded, suggesting that the harassment campaigns could be led by Russian operatives, not just his real supporters."

Sanders words, not mine.

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Sanders called you a Russian operative. Take it up with him.

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Sanders is going to make Trump a one-term president and will also embarrass him in the electoral count.

You'll come around to the idea eventually.

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You're belief is based on emotion and wishful thinking. My belief is based on data used by political strategists to win races.

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What is this you're attempting, a Jedi mind trick?

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Fellow Star Wars fan? Cool.

No, I'm only listening very closely to what both Democratic and former Republican political strategists say about how campaigns are run.

The education has helped me understand plenty of things about politics I used to be angry about. Now, I know it was only part of a strategy to win an election. Politicians don't run by themselves. They hire smart people to sell them to the public including Sanders.

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'Not true. Warren is a progressive and his main competition.'
-They're all progressives, just some more than others. She's not even top tier anymore, falling around Buttigieg levels.

'He's not posing as a socialist democrat. He said he's a democrat socialist which is communist although he denies that label.'
-TIL the difference between the two is that social democrats support practical, progressive reforms of capitalism and are more concerned to administrate and humanize it, with socialism relegated to the indefinite future, whereas democratic socialists ultimately want to go beyond mere social democratic reforms and advocate systematic transformation of the mode of production from capitalism to socialism.

'Using the term "revolution" doesn't mean anything.'
-HOW DARE YOU! (Greta voice) It means everything to Bernie.

'2 states'
-I stand corrected. Technically still won via popular vote and he claims it so.

'Illegals and poor don't vote. His supporters appear to be young and jobless who want a free handout. They don't vote either.'
-Won't stop them from trying to fast track them to citizenship. If they're wanting free handouts, you bet your ass they're gonna vote for free shit.

'I see a disproportionate amount of young people in the caucuses. They don't reflect democratic voters.'
-Hidden ANTIFA/BLM. They're just missing the black clad clothing and hiding their faces.

'Hopefully, Biden and Bloomberg will gain momentum.'
-Biden, probably. Bloomy? Unless he improves on the debate stage, his money ain't squat.

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Cont...

'The real answer is to raise taxes of the rich which helps income inequality.'
-Raising taxes on the rich didn't really work in Europe, what makes you think it'll work in the US? Bernie's tax begins iirc at 50k then progressively increases based on higher income. Warren's begins at $50m with 2% over every dollar. Warren's plan also imposes an exit tax, which would confiscate 40% of a person's wealth over $50m if they renounce their citizenship.

In 1990, there were 12 countries in Europe that had a wealth tax. Today there are only three. Among other things, it costs a lot to enforce. It pushed rich people out of the country, and the wealth taxes didn't raise a lot of revenue.

'Continue to wait for a politician to save you! Trump's cult has been waiting three years now. If he was so successful, how come Bernie's cult is still poor?'
-Interesting that you mention this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wly3eAr6Ko

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"They're all progressives"
No, they're not. There are differences between a progressive, liberal and moderate in demographics and solutions to problems.

"... systematic transformation of the mode of production from capitalism to socialism."
I disagree. Bernie's party doesn't want any private business ownership therefore that's not socialism - it's communism. Socialism has both public and private ownership.

"If they're wanting free handouts, you bet your ass they're gonna vote for free shit."
Not true. Poor people tend to have given up especially on the system. They really don't vote in large numbers.

"... Warren's begins at ... "

Arghh! I'm not talking about Warren's inane plan or any punitive plan against the rich which was common in Europe. Of course, the rich will flee with that nonsense. The Republicans went overboard in their tax cuts and need to rein it in a bit. Even the rich are saying their taxes are too low.

I don't know how you can listen to that guy. He's extremely annoying.
The question to ask is how are individuals doing financially. There are obviously many people who are struggling or there wouldn't be Sanders' supporters begging him to save them by destroying capitalism which they no longer believe work for them. People in flyover states aren't much better off today.

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Comrade Sanders has been praising Communism for 40 years now. Cuba: 30 years of poverty!
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/bernie-sanders-praised-communist-cuba-and-the-soviet-union-in-the-1980s

In 1989, Sanders effusively praised the "Cuban revolution" in a public statement from the mayor's office.

"For better or for worse, the Cuban revolution is a very profound and very deep revolution. Much deeper than I had understood," Sanders wrote. "More interesting than their providing their people with free health care, free education, free housing ... is that they are in fact creating a very different value system than the one we are familiar with."

Sanders mocked the notion that Cuba was an undesirable place to live, chalking up criticisms of the island nation as right-wing propaganda.

"Right-wing citizens could come back [from visiting] with first-hand evidence of all the horrors in Cuba, etc., etc," Sanders wrote dismissively.

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You're pointing out why Sanders will lose.

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Which is the old way of thinking. Hillary thought the working class in the rust belt would all vote for her if she pointed out that Trump likes to grab women by the pussy. It didn't work.

If you think those working class people will vote for Trump because Sanders made some comment about Cuba in 1989, you need your head examined.

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Nobody will vote for a commie. Young people don't vote so I hope he's not depending on them.

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Some of his supporters do know that he is a communist. Some think he can magically make things better for everyone except those EVIL nazis. LOL. Free Stuff galore. No math required.

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it isn't shocking news

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