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Dems, do you want Bernie as the nominee?


Who says yes and who says no?

Of the people that say yes, he's already said he'll raise taxes and he said that medicare for all will cost trillions of dollars on top of the current budget plus other freebie entitlements he wants to enact. Can you tell me how much he'll raise taxes and break it down who and how much will be taxed.

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I'm no dem but, YES! I just want to see the entertainment. I know Trump will be calling Bernie a radical socialist/communist, how he gonna pay for all the stuff, etc. although I don't know what else he can go with on attacking Bernie though. I think he'll go along the lines of he's gonna tax you to hell, take all your hard earned money, sanctuary cities, open borders, give healthcare to illegals among other things.

Bernie on the other will use the feminist appeal of misogynist, racist, supremacist, fake billionaire, green new deal, free tuition, healthcare for all, etc.

God just thinking about it makes me excited to see them battle it out on the debate stage. It'll be hell way more entertaining than Trump vs. Hillary that's for sure. The most polarizing battle of the century.

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I'm very worried Bernie will not appeal to moderates. That Trump appeals to far-right zealots is an ugly reality, so if he receives enthusiastic support from an undesirable group while Sanders gets lukewarm support from moderates, I'm afraid the result will be bad for the country. I wish the Dems had a younger, more charismatic Centrist to bring the country together, the way Obama did.

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Lol you just don't get it do you?

Massive swaths of Americans are sick and tired of corrupt centrists corporatists selling them out. To them America is an utter failure that has left them and their families behind and only works for the wealthy and corporations. The country doesn't "need to be brought together" its already torn about by a system that protects and maintains the wealthiest Americans power over elections and even the legal system. while throwing the book at and punishing the poor while doing anything it can to keep them at low wages, with poor healthcare and having no representation in Politics.

Obama only won because A. he is one of the most gifted Orators in modern history and B. he campaigned like a. progressive champion, and governed like a centrist corporatist. He was a establishment centrist in progressive cosplay.

This is what appealed to many trump voters, just with a right wing populist tinge.

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Fair enough. I don't mind being schooled about a true progressive agenda. I'm just concerned that real change probably needs to be incremental, and Bernie doesn't have the weight to make things happen as we would like to see them.
Just the fact Obama was elected was progress, and I try not to be blind to the lack of real progress during his admin.
For many years I have felt our government and especially the people who support republicans are seriously effed up and I don't have the answers, but it won't be easy to change course, and I'm concerned Bernie isn't the right person to lead the charge.

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" I'm just concerned that real change probably needs to be incremental,"

How has incrementalism worked so far? what massive wins for the dems/lft have we had in the last two decades? its ben non stop incrementalism to the right with the exception of some social issues. But even the republicans largely ending the fight federal on gay marriage for example was because bunch of rich republican donors have gay kids and family and told them to stop.

the problem is when you fight weakly for incrementalism from the center or barely centre left vs republicans from the right. the "compromise" ends up being somewhere on the right.

"Bernie doesn't have the weight to make things happen as we would like to see them"

which democrat does? are the republicans all of a sudden play nice cause a corporatist incrementalist is in office? Obama had the presidency, senate and congress and still didn't bother to pass anything. that's what incrementalism gets you. bernie has an incredibly loyal active base who will continue to mobile for him.

"Just the fact Obama was elected was progress, and I try not to be blind to the lack of real progress during his admin."

what progress though? some around the edges we got some small change. while we arguably lost more ground on many other things. Obama made the Bush wealthy tax cuts permanent, the spy state permanent, didn't fight corporations and wealthy buying the elections, didn't fight the industrial military complex.

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I'd vote for anyone over Trump, and if Bernie takes the reins, more power to him. As I said, I'm concerned about it.
The country is a large swath of competing interests and temperaments. Many remember times that didn't seem so polarized. I might not object to the phrase Democratic Socialist, but others will, even if they want change for the good. I know the pubs don't play nice and lie and cheat to keep power, which is why I wish Bernie had a bit more broad appeal. I'm not young, I'm just saying how I see it.

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You keep saying you re concerned and I keep disproving these assertions you keep making like "bernie won't get anything done (but a centrist magically will) or that "incrementalism works!" when it factually hasn't.

ya its because tension has built up more and more as Americans keep getting screwed and the wealthy keep stealing. larger and larger piece of the pie. the middle class has shrunk and so you have poorer people looking for an "outsider" .

could it be that your concerns are unfounded and your opinion but don't have much grounding in reality?

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I guess we shall see. As I said, I'm not young and have been observing the state of the union for some time. People had high hopes for a different society at one time, and here we are. I'm on your side, but I worry that Trump's forces are pulling even more wool over enough people's eyes that without an exceptionally strong Dem he may eke out another technical victory. If you think Bernie is the answer, I hope you're right.

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Im not trying to be mean. I constantly try and reevaluate my opinions to my make sure I don't just believe them because I believe them but that they actually conform to reality.

I won't disagree that the state of the union is nuts. One theory is that to counter the appeals of communism, the USA (of course it varied) actually tried to ensure support by providing a fairly comfortable life to Americans and this included things like affordable education. Now as a percent of taxes paid corporations have never paid less and that burden has shifted to the people.

the problem is people are seeing their kids worse off than them. they re seeing the middle class shrinking. they are seeing the rich take more and more while they scrape by.

Trump (although full of crap and a total liar) at least claimed or paid lip service to doing things to the American people. he spoke to the midwest when he railed against NAFTA and the TPP. He railed against china and America losing its manufacturing. he railed against the corrupt Washington establishment.

I know it was all BS, but to many people "at least he said he would do something". Hilary made no such claims and so people took their chance with the orange idiot.

I feel the establishment Dems are Hilary 2.0. centrist pro corporatists in progressive cosplay. they use some of the verbiage but have none of the intentions or conviction.

Klob, Buttigiege and Biden especially will be trampled under Trump as a perfect example of the corrupt Washington insider. Warren is a weak candidate who went dear in headlights when a heckler at function heckled her. how will she standup to trump in a debate?

I could be 1000% wrong. but I don't think I am. and multiple surveys back me up that he is best equipped to fight trumps populists engerized base with his own equally energized base

https://www.newsweek.com/bernie-sanders-trump-poll-election-2020-biden-bloomberg-1483423

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Bernie may not be the answer, he's just the best chance of an answer. Buttigieg and Klobuchar are surrounded in identity politics and they are pulling Warren to their side. Identity politics doesn't get people to vote for you. It gets people to stay home. Biden and Bloomberg are the heroes of the establishment. Biden can't get through a speech without gaffing himself into headlines on cable news.

Trump got independents on his side by attacking Hillary from the left. He used her right-wing stance on TPP against her, and he used her Wall Street speeches against her. Both of those were FIRST criticized by Bernie's campaign because, of course, he's a lefty.

Too many people in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania stayed home when Hillary needed all three. She didn't campaign there because they weren't even viewed as purple states, they were technically light blue. Trump won all three, he only needed one. And now dems want to run BLOOMBERG, who was a republican until Trump was elected, to get those democrats to come out and vote? ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

I get it. Bernie may not have a 100% chance to win. But he's the best shot we've had since Obama. He's even getting young voter turnout the way Obama did. The establishment is against him because they like Trump's tax cuts.

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https://www.newsweek.com/bernie-sanders-trump-poll-election-2020-biden-bloomberg-1483423


"The poll found that 52 percent of voters would choose Sanders and 43 percent Trump, giving the veteran senator a nine-point lead."

"Of the people that say yes, he's already said he'll raise taxes and he said that medicare for all will cost trillions of dollars"

Yes and Americans already pay trillions. what it does is shift the model from a forced private taxation to a publicly funded one.

https://pnhp.org/news/even-libertarians-admit-medicare-for-all-would-save-billions/

"A new study from a libertarian think tank admits that Medicare for All would save a whopping $300 billion."

the numbers of amount saved are much higher by other places. Thats because for all the bragging that corporations are these super efficient entities and government waste. Health insurance companies add a massive amount of extra charges onto consumers. those commercials don't pay for themselves. those lobbyists don't pay for themselves. those shareholders need a cut. This isnt even going into the administrative nightmare that add costs to hospitals die to the army of people they need just to process difference insurances.

"plus other freebie entitlements he wants to enact"

its called spending priorities. Americans are sick and tired of being told they can't fund together fund programs that help the middle class. But they can spend literally 100s of billions for corporate welfare. they just raised military spending by 80 billion. where were you crying about "big government then?" yearly corporations get about 100 billion in corporate subsidies. Amazon and other top corporations are paying 0 in federal tax

"Can you tell me how much he'll raise taxes and break it down who and how much will be taxed."

you gave me 4 things to break down how he would pay for. I ddi for every single one. you whined and didn't like the answer and tried to shift goal posts

1- healthcare a progressive tax scale (which will cost far less than private insurance)
2. education a speculation tax on wall street.
3. other spending priorities. end corporate welfare. go after offshore accounts and make the laws stricter. start making it so corporations that cost us billions in their use of public goods like roads and police and firemen actually pay towards that and don't dodge taxes..

this is really simple stuff. but you are derpy so

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First of all, what the hell do you care, kanuck? Answer this first before answering anything else, eh.

That article is horrible. There is no data that backs up his claim. If this is true, like the article says, then why isn't Bernie spouting this in his campaign???

Are corporations more efficient than the government, yes or no? Does the government waste lots of money, yes or no?

Cost for commercials, lobbyist and shareholders? This is true for ANY corporation, yes? So you're saying that the government could do better and offer a lower cost to consumers ON EVERYTHING, yes?

Admin nightmare? Why is there an admin nightmare, pray tell? Even with a single payer system, you'd still have an admin department, yes? Why would the cost be smaller with a single payer system? You'd have more members to keep records on.

Spending priorities???

First of all, who are you to speak for Americans, kanuck? Mad because the Stanley Cup hasn't been won in Canada for 31 years, eh? 🤪🤪🤪

How is paying off student loan debt a spending priority, pray tell? What kind of message of responsibility does that give, pray tell?

1. Who's getting taxes??? How much is the rate???
2. What's the rate??? You do know that this has FAILED in every country it was implemented, yes?
3. End corporate welfare? Pray elaborate with details. Give me hard numbers. Go after offshore accounts? You mean like the SPLC? How exactly? Give me the law and policy that enables this. Don't dodge taxes??? You mean no more tax incentives? Thus, no incentives to build Amazon HQ2 in your city to provide jobs and income taxes and sales taxes and other small businesses?

Again, you FAILED to provide any hard data or any numbers at all. You're just as bad as Elizabeth Warren. You talk and think you're saying things that are profound and intelligent, but it's nothing more than chepooka gibberish. Not too smart, are you, eh? Then again, what else is new, eh? 🤪🤪🤪



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"That article is horrible. There is no data that backs up his claim. If this is true, like the article says, then why isn't Bernie spouting this in his campaign???"

he is. and does constantly. please stop blaming a lack of education on your part, on a lack of information on Bernies.

"Are corporations more efficient than the government, yes or no? Does the government waste lots of money, yes or no?"

it depends. the world isnt black and white and dichotomous. Sometimes the incentive to extract massive profits actually end up costing us more. Such as healthcare. Thats why the USA spends more per capita than every other developed country.

For example the Ontario government Liquor stores sell annually 6 billion. They give the government 2.3 billion in Revenue. Please show me abunch of corporation making 33% profit consistency.

"Cost for commercials, lobbyist and shareholders? This is true for ANY corporation, yes? So you're saying that the government could do better and offer a lower cost to consumers ON EVERYTHING, yes?
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No Einstein. the world is complicated. clearly you can't comprehend nuance with your tiny brain.

"First of all, who are you to speak for Americans, kanuck? Mad because the Stanley Cup hasn't been won in Canada for 31 years, eh? 🤪🤪🤪"

are you oaky mentally? you seem unstable. seek help before you do something horrible to yourself and family

"How is paying off student loan debt a spending priority, pray tell? What kind of message of responsibility does that give, pray tell? "

Student loans create a massive economic burden that stifles economic performance ranging from stopping people buying a home, starting a family, spending that money in the economy, starting a business etc. And this is mostly young people we want to innovate and jump into the business world and economy and massively contribute.

The best part is many colleges and universities used to be Free or far far less expensive (even considering inflation)

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Like always, you FAILED right from the start, eh? I asked why you even care, kanuck? Answer this BEFORE answering anything else, eh. After you answer that question, answer who are you to speak for Americans, kanuck?

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Hahahah no what I did was ignore your childish attempt to yet again go off topic.

hahahahaha so if im not a German does that mean I don't know anything bout nazi Germany?

your biggest problems are

1. you don't even have basic knowledge. the fact you thought banks didn't do any student loans show you have a child like level of that topic and many others. you just don't know common things that most people do..

2. you are lazy and don't do research. you make wild baseless assertions, and when disproven, move on to the next one.

you are a child. Embarrassing yet again. you sure you aren't into public humiliation?

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Talk about moving the goal posts. I ask a SIMPLE QUESTION and it gets your panties in a twist. As a kanuck, you don't have a pony in this race, so what do you care? I mean how simple is that question? Why is that question so scary to answer???

As a kanuck, who are you to speak to for Americans, pray tell? Why can't you answer these straight-forward and simple questions?

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I addressed 9/10 or whatever number of the questions. again. hyper focusing on a nothing burger because you have no argument. notice how I constantly actually address points? while you go on tangents whining?

lol "pray tell". do you purposely want everyone to know what an incel loser you are?

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Seriously? You're gonna duck and dodge a SIMPLE QUESTION? What do you have to hide, kanuck? Why is it so hard to answer why you care?

Forget about the second question. You don't speak for Americans, kanuck. That's a given. I know you're pissed off no Canadian team has won the Stanley cup in 31 years, but get over it. Your teams suck.
However, you're more than welcome say whatever chepooka you want.

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I thought the answer was so painfully obvious I was trying to save you face. but apparently you want to go full retard yet again.

I don't watch hockey. I have a life working, working out and banging women who wouldn't even look at you lol.

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Too bad. Coolest sport. Canadian teams suck. Just FYI, eh. Still no answer to a SIMPLE QUESTION. Duck and dodge a lot, eh?

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again I have a life. unlike a fat middle age-old loser like you I still do a activities lol

Canada and the usa have close cultural, economical ties and similarities. we have a shared border and security interests as well as trade ones too. Not only is the presidency important for this relationship, but so are state relations and political races. their own domestic laws massively effect Canada. for instance 90% of guns confiscated by police in gun crimes here are from the USA. this is just one example, there are tens of thousands of our own domestic policies and laws having external effects on one another


besides Canadas specific history and close proximity and special connection to the usa. Is the fact the USA is the sole super power. and as a super power (besides our special relationship)has massive economic, political and cultural impacts on the world around it. The are massive trading partners and their NATO led position means that many countries work in tandem with them and share a military policy as well. they are often looked to as policy leaders in various areas from drug laws to terrorism.

it would be stupid not to care about the USA and its elections and policy as a Canadian, let alone as a person who lives on this globe.

But again. I tried to safe you face over the painfully obvious question. but yet again. you are too fucking stupid.

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So then why did you kanucks popularize the mullet, pray tell?

As Trey Gowdy would say, "See. That wasn't so hard." If this is your answer, why so defensive?

Close cultural, economical ties and similarities? Like what, pray tell? You already said you don't watch hockey. Maple syrup? Moose burgers?

A shared border? Brilliant deduction Holmes! Did you figure that all by yourself or did you have to check Google Maps?

Security interests? Like what pray tell? Is a wall proposed between the border that I don't know about? Bob Probert passed away so you don't have to worry about him beating up kanucks anymore.

90% of guns confiscated are from the US. Where should they have come from? China? Duuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh......

Your 2nd paragraph, that's why you care? I call bullshit on that one. Was that the reason why you couldn't answer me? Because you had to do some chepooka "research" to come up with this chepooka answer? What a joke, eh?

It would be stupid for a kanuck to not care about the USA's politics??? And yet, MILLIONS of kanucks couldn't care less. Why? Because US policies DON'T EFFECT them as Canadian citizens. Duuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh......

I guess there are a lot stupid kanucks per you, eh?

Your "reasons" are pathetic and phony. Just FYI, eh?

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You heard the goal horn, eh? Rekt eh? Again, eh? What else is new, eh? 🤪🤪🤪🤪😁😁😁😁

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"90% of guns confiscated are from the US. Where should they have come from? China? Duuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh......"

90% are illegal ones smuggled over the border. as opposed to domestic ones you dumb fuck

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Where do you think they'd be smuggled from in the first place? China? Duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.......

Seriously, shut up for your own good. 🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪

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Those guns are illegal? Used in crimes? Were those US guns obtained legally in the US or illegally and sold illegally on the black market in Canada to those gangs, pray tell?

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Whatever. Can you answer the question?

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im curious what its like to be so fucking dumb and a serial loser in life? I guarantee you make 20k, are fat and can't get a woman

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Insecure eh? Answer the question.

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what's it like being. constantly loser in life?

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I don't know. What's it like being so insecure?

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having. great job, working out daily and banging sexy ass bitches who wouldn't even look at you?

while I unman you every single time.. is that being insecure? hahahhahahahahahah notice how you have drifted further and further away from the arguments as I embarassed you once again

Financial Revenue: $6.39 billion
Net Income: $2.28 billion

ohhh and it even says that excludes HST. which means on top of that 2.28 billion they also paid the federal government and provinces each around. 385 million.

when counting what they paid the government (since all the profits go to the governments)

this government ran agency is operating at an almost 50% profit margin LOL.

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I see. An insecure life is coupled with delusions of grandeur. Whatever makes you happy. I don't care.

Since nationalizing LIQUOR STORES is so lucrative for kanucks, maybe you should nationalize other businesses as well? You think nationalizing the NHL would be a good thing? You think the players would all like to be paid the same wages rate? That would be fair, yes? 🤪🤪🤪

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the retard went full retard again.

so should the military be privatized?

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Depends.

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wow kid. you not only can't answer honestly. you went full retard yet again.

you showed you don't understand how states and governments work and monopolies of violence.

you just can't help embarrassing yourself

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What are you babbling about?

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You don't even have a basic understanding of political science and it constantly shows. max Webers definition of a state is one that has a monopoly of force over a given territory.

its quite apparent when you think of it. No other army acts within the US border.

so largely privatizing a military wouldn't make sense. the state that wouldn't have a monopoly of force wouldn't be the state for long

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What part of "depends" did you fail to understand?

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except no. in no cases should the military be privatized. yet again kid.

you don't even know the basics

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Did I say privatize the military for national defense? Did I, pray tell?

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List of retarded comments by Sandman27

"banks don't give student loan!!!! only the government does!! duhhhhhhh!"

should the military be privatized? ""depends"

Me after explaining to sandman Canada and the US have shared security interests since we are military allies often when it comes to foreign policy and NATO. he responds with

"Security interests? Like what pray tell? Is a wall proposed between the border that I don't know about? Bob Probert passed away so you don't have to worry about him beating up kanucks anymore."

"It would be stupid for a kanuck to not care about the USA's politics??? And yet, MILLIONS of kanucks couldn't care less. Why? Because US policies DON'T EFFECT them as Canadian citizens. Duuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh......"

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Rekt eh? 🤪🤪🤪

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List of retarded comments by Sandman27

"banks don't give student loan!!!! only the government does!! duhhhhhhh!"

should the military be privatized? ""depends"

Me after explaining to sandman Canada and the US have shared security interests since we are military allies often when it comes to foreign policy and NATO. he responds with

"Security interests? Like what pray tell? Is a wall proposed between the border that I don't know about? Bob Probert passed away so you don't have to worry about him beating up kanucks anymore."

"It would be stupid for a kanuck to not care about the USA's politics??? And yet, MILLIONS of kanucks couldn't care less. Why? Because US policies DON'T EFFECT them as Canadian citizens. Duuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh......"

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You seem to have a clear modus operandi.

when I address your points and you can't rebutt mine. Your only escape seems to be

1. move the goal post
2. outright change the subject or hyper focus on one thing.

kid you'd fail a grade 10 civics class

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You'll get your answers once you answer my initial question, kanuck.

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you have this weird sense of undeserved superiority. when you are a fucking loser. we both know what you re going to end up doing. losers like you always do in the end

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So since you answered my initial question, albeit as phony as a 3 dollar bill, I'll answer the rest of your chepooka.

The article provides NO DATA to support its claim. Don't show me words. Show me the DATA from the research report cited that backs this claim.

Sometimes the incentive to extract massive profits actually end up costing us more. Such as healthcare. Thats why the USA spends more per capita than every other developed country.[/i]

Seriously, you talk but say nothing. It's like Elizabeth Warren was your mentor. It cost more, how? Why? Explain it. Give details.

[i]For example the Ontario government Liquor stores sell annually 6 billion. They give the government 2.3 billion in Revenue. Please show me abunch of corporation making 33% profit consistency.


What's your point exactly? Are you saying you are in favor of nationalizing liquor stores? You do know that revenue isn't profit, yes? Based off of this statement, you clearly don't know the difference. What else is new, eh?

No? And yet other corporations have these very same expenses. So then these costs ARE NOT the factor in moving towards nationalized healthcare. Shoot yourself in the foot much?

A massive economic burden? What's the point in going to school and taking on a student loan in the first place, pray tell? Whose fault is it that the student choose a major that is low paying or in low demand and cannot make their payments?

Young people that want to innovate? How exactly? With a business degree, they'd be able to get a decent job and make their student loan payments. However, you want to take about corporate tax incentives thus, robbing these new and existing workers of jobs that would enable them to pay for their student loans.

Is college free in kanuck land? No? Go bitch to your PM before you bitch to the US, eh?

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https://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/delivering-value-to-ontarians---lcbo-highlights-2016-17-fiscal-year-results-640898783.html

nope. that's profit not revenue, but YET AGAIN. you are too fucking stupid to do even 1 minute of research.

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What's the difference between revenue vs. profit? Clearly you DON'T KNOW nor does your link in the entire article even mention profit. You're not too smart, eh? Really you should shut up for your own good, eh? 🤪🤪🤪

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ya it says net income. its the same thing. the money you have after all your operating costs are paid for. you fucking retard.

yet another fail to add to the book

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copy and paste the sentence that states the "net income".

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https://www.lcbo.com/content/lcbo/en/corporate-pages/about/annual-report.html

"Financial Revenue: $6.39 billion
Net Income: $2.28 billion "

does retardation run in the family or is it just you?

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Don't read French.

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its in English retard. try again LOL

"KEY HIGHLIGHTS

Dividend of $2.37 billion transferred to the Government of Ontario
Sales across all categories, e-commerce, and wholesale drove increase in revenue
Total net sales of Ontario wine, craft beer, cider and spirits hit a record-breaking $690M
Customer donations raised a record $12.5 million for charitable organizations
MAXIMIZING RETURNS

The LCBO is a proud contributor to the Government of Ontario. The revenues it generates support key public programs and services for Ontarians, including health care, education and infrastructure.

Dividends Transferred to the Ontario Government: $2.37 billion
Financial Revenue: $6.39 billion
Net Income: $2.28 billion
Total e-commerce sales: $19.5 million
Total mobile app commerce sales: $2.9 million*
Over 450,000 active mobile app users
Grocery: Sales from the wholesale supply of beer, wine and cider to grocery stores totaled $246.7 million
*Order amount placed via LCBO Mobile App

Key net sales figures by category (excluding specialty services):

o Spirits $2.2 billion, up 2.9 per cent

o Beer & Cider & RTD $ 1.8 billion, up 8.5 per cent

o Wine including Vintages $ 2.1 billion, up 0.1 per cent

o Gift Cards across category $116.8 million up 5.7 per cent (activations)


fuck what is it like living with retardation?

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Apparently, kanucks are alcoholics. I'm glad you trust your governments numbers.

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hahahahahahahahahahahahaha and this is the slow but sure goalpost moving I talked about. every time I embarrass you.

now the numbers can't be trusted hahahah

buddy get it over with. end the burden. you are a fucking loser and always will be it won't change.

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The goal posts were already moved. What does this have anything to do with the original argument? You introduced this example, but it has no point. So what Ontario nationalized liquor stores? It makes a profit, but that doesn't prove that private businesses couldn't do this as well and still be more efficient with higher profits, does it? If you're going to prove that governments are more efficient than free markets, than give me an example that shows it. Don't just present a half ass example. But then again, what else is new, eh?🤪🤪🤪

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should the military be privatized?

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Why are you deleting your posts?

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Nevermind. You're too insecure to answer simple questions.

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lol banks don't give student loans.

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When you look at hours worked that it took to pay for a years tuition in the past vs now its skyrocketed. So its funny all the 40-70 years olds lecturing young people about how they aren't being "responsible" when they themselves benefited from cheap partially funded government secondary education. and have since cut that, and are now telling young people to do what they never had to.


How is paying off student loan debt a spending priority, pray tell? What kind of message of responsibility does that give, pray tell?

"1. Who's getting taxes??? How much is the rate???
2. What's the rate??? You do know that this has FAILED in every country it was implemented, yes?
3. End corporate welfare? Pray elaborate with details. Give me hard numbers. Go after offshore accounts? You mean like the SPLC? How exactly? Give me the law and policy that enables this. Don't dodge taxes??? You mean no more tax incentives? Thus, no incentives to build Amazon HQ2 in your city to provide jobs and income taxes and sales taxes and other small businesses?"

you really want an essay? again do 5 minutes of research dn lok things up yourself.

you are truly embarrassing. unmanned in public yet again. im actually convinced this is your kink

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He scares the billionaires who control the DNC more than Trump. Trump only threatens their power. Bernie threatens their wealth.

Wonder who he’ll select for his VP? Talk about a career ender.

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It'll be interesting to see what Bloomberg says about Bernie's positions. Steyer had nothing to say which makes him pretty much a self appointed hypocrite.

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Yes!! Bernie is leading in the polls. I hope he beats that creep in the White House.

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He may not win, but he's the most likely candidate to do it.

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Right now Bernie is leading in the poles. I originally thought I might vote for Joe Biden, but I changed my mind.

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It's polls. Didn't you want to keep your Kaiser plan?

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According to the latest news I can keep Kaiser. It will just be cheaper or maybe free.

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Can’t wait for the brokered convention and Bernie and the bozo Democrat voters having another nomination stolen from them by their Democrat slave masters.

I’m sure it’ll be fine once the C squad quietly puts their support behind the white billionaire hedge fund manager and oligarch Bloomberg. Lmfao!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

#TheTrumpBoomRollsOn

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