An angry father confronted Sen. Elizabeth Warren saying those who responsibly saved to pay for student loans themselves would get "screwed" under her student debt cancellation plan.
"I just wanted to ask one question. My daughter is getting out of school. I've saved all my money. She doesn't have any student loans. Am I going to get my money back?" the father asked Warren in a photo line after a presidential campaign town hall in Grimes, Iowa, on Monday.
"Of course not," Warren answered, without hesitation.
"So you're going to pay for people who didn't save any money and those of us who did the right thing get screwed?" the father pressed.
"My buddy had fun, bought a car, and went on all the vacations, I saved my money. He makes more than I did. I worked a double shift," the father continued.
"You're laughing at me," the man said, which Warren denied. "Yeah that's exactly what you're doing. We did the right thing and we get screwed," he can be heard telling Warren.
"I appreciate your time," Warren responded.
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What a witch. If this is how she treats potential voters, it gives a good indication on how she would run the country if she became president.
No compassion or anything. Didn't even try. She could have at least been sympathetic and told him she was still working out the details. I give her some credit, for once in her life she didn't lie!
She lied to go to school though and should be charged with fraud and be forced to give that money back.
Warren is advocating that it's stupid to be a saver and be responsible and pay your own way. Just stay in debt!
No, the man tried to do the right thing to help his kid. Now this doofus comes along "free college," which doesn't work mathematically!!! Someone has to pay for it.
The man wasn't suggesting to screw everyone else but her plan doesn't work!
No. she's advocating that education is ridiculously overpriced and creating a massive burden. That families or people shouldn't go into massive debt over it that actually sniffles the economy.
and your story is about whining "hey I got swindled by overpriced education because there is no assistance for me! everyone else should get screwed like me!"
Yes it doesn't work... that's why plenty of other developed nations have far more affordable education lol. do you live in a bubble? and not even bother to do the tiniest bit of research before you spew your garbage?
yet works in other developed countries. amazing how America is a magic place where proven things in multiple other nations don't work because you say so.
You have this made-up conservative libertarian fantasy in your head that isn't ground in reality.
yet again like your first posted showed, you have a child like understanding of politics and economics. yaaa a mixed market economy with social assistance never works.
that's why Canada, England, Sweden, France Norway, German etc all fell apart due to their "socialism"
you do realize the usa has many socially funded programs, many are some of the most popular ones according to both democratic and republicans and function incredibly well.
go back to high school kid.
you don't even know the difference between communism or socialism as you say (command economy) and a mixed economy.
hahahahah in other words "I got embarrassed. I do not have an actual logical argument. and I have no understanding of political science, let alone a 10th grader understanding of political system'
go back to watching Fox News complains that "dahhh damn gubernment is trying to take muhhh money for socialism!!!"
I just replied to this dip shit in another post, and after seeing this conversation with you, I now realize it's a fucking idiot or a troll, and possibly a sock account. I've seen this type of nonsense and poor grammar on here before. If I were you Norma, I wouldn't waste any more time debating children like this. I won't be.
Lol, with selective logic and untrue facts? As much as I've seen you metaphorically cradle Bernie's balls, and Jlaws from time to time (is it YOUR sock account...), You are clearly a misguided commie yourself, so your opinion on this discussion holds no weight.
I looked after my conversation with him and saw a back and forth with Popcorny. I came to the same conclusion as you but I appreciate the heads up Burk!
It's amazing how transparent you are with your ignorance. You and the Trump cult always resort to attacking socialism instead of the individual issues. Trump himself supported single payer before he ran for president, but then he got his marching orders from corporate America to oppose it.
You'll support a wall that has less than 40% approval, but you'll oppose medicare for all or free college that gets over 60% approval. Why? Because you listen to politicians who are paid for by corporations. You say "it won't work" because that's what they tell you to think. You have nothing else to base it on.
I just spoke to specific issues (while also posting empirical evidence of socialism's deficiencies), and I'm sure you'd consider me part of the "Trump cult".*
*I'm not of course, since there is no such "cult". The rabid anti-Trump elements routinely spewing irrational drivel and conspiracy theories for the past three years, and currently trying to remove the elected president from office because...well...."ORANGEMANBAD!!!! AAAEEAGGGHHH!!!!"....would come closer to cult-like behavior.
PS - Issue polling is BS since it's easily manipulated by question wording, but I didn't see Democrats citing polls showing strong popular opposition to Obamacare, support for enforcing immigration laws, overwhelming support for allowing prayer in public schools, or a whole slew of other big issues over the decades, including polling in recent years consistently showing supermajority support for restricting abortion more than it currently is. What's more pertinent in a democracy is the real poll that was conducted on election day when Americans chose to make the guy who had campaigned on the wall and the rest of his agenda president.
that's why Canada, England, Sweden, France Norway, German etc all fell apart due to their "socialism"
They're more capitalist than socialist, but the somewhat more socialist lean they have compared to the US has significantly slowed their economic growth.
Per Capita GDP PPP 2018, World Bank
US - $62,794.6
EU - $43,737.7
Canada - $48,130.3
Americans are 44% more prosperous than the vaunted European Union and over 30% more prosperous than their neighbors to the north. Think about that. It's not a trivial difference. That's a big deal.
you do realize the usa has many socially funded programs, many are some of the most popular ones according to both democratic and republicans and function incredibly well.
The VA? The DMV? Seriously? Even social security and Medicare (the latter is nothing like single payer systems, BTW), are both going insolvent in several years according to their own trustees.
It's clearly wrong to claim they work "incredibly well". More pertinently, the reason college tuition prices have insanely spiraled out of control in recent decades is precisely because of the government intervention we already have. Government aid, loans, and grants have ensured that basically anyone can go to some kind of college. Universities know they can keep jacking up prices without a drop off in demand. The Government will see to that and exacerbated the problem by nationalizing the student loan industry several years ago. A similar phenomenon is a big part of the reason why healthcare prices per treatment have spiraled to crazy levels in recent decades. That sort of third party government intervention blocks the price signals that are crucial to normally functioning markets and that result in a plethora of cheap, quality goods at the grocery store and most other spheres of US society.
Price controls would stop the increases of course, but what impact would that level of socialistic government control have on quality? Despite leftists having dumbed down education since seizing control of it a few decades ago, especially in the humanities, US universities are still widely viewed as the best in the world, especially in the sciences and engineering, as opposed to the far more government dominated K-12 system (with less parental choice than many other nations have). Theyāre the ones people around the globe compete to get into, and they lead rankings lists in metrics like Nobel Prizes and other research accomplishments.
The impact price controls would have on quality is debatable, but thereās certainly no basis for assuming that those other nations you mentioned with even more government control whose colleges typically rank lower than Americaās are doing āincredible wellā. Given that and metrics like the above GDP facts, instead of emulating them maybe they should be trying to emulate America.
go back to high school kid.
Which kind? If she went back to a government high school today sheād likely receive a shoddy āeducationā and be misled as you have been.
"They're more capitalist than socialist, but the somewhat more socialist lean they have compared to the US has significantly slowed their economic growth.
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which is why literally none of the dem candidates are offering anything close to "socialism". Bernie in Canada would be in a slightly left wing party and warren probably the Liberal party
"Americans are 44% more prosperous than the vaunted European Union and over 30% more prosperous than their neighbors to the north. Think about that. It's not a trivial difference. That's a big deal. "
do you not know anything about history? Not only is America the most blessed geographical country in the world for defence (they have two weak neighbours and an ocean defending them from any strong enemies) and some could argue resources. WW2 basically gave them the position they now hold today and their economy. this is indisputable. they economy was roaring and ready to go while the europeans had been destroyed.
"The VA? The DMV? Seriously? Even social security and Medicare (the latter is nothing like single payer systems, BTW), are both going insolvent in several years according to their own trustees."
I didn't say they were single payer systems did I? I said they were social programs, which they are. Yes I agree when the republicans (and dems) continue to cut them and borrow form them their endless wars then turn around and say "look they don't work"!How convenient they cause the problems to them then claim they are unsupportable. Its like me claiming you can't run track and field because you have a bad leg a minute after I hit it with a bat.
you aren't even worth responding to anymore. you don't even have a basic understanding of history or the economy. keep watching Fox News kid!
LOL! You effectively conceded with that pathetic half-retort, moron. But I'll deal with the drivel you dropped before you fled.
which is why literally none of the dem candidates are offering anything close to "socialism". Bernie in Canada would be in a slightly left wing party and warren probably the Liberal party
Nationalizing the entire healthcare industry with an insane "Medicare for all" scheme estimated to cost tens of trillions of dollars, the "Green New Deal" (including an even more insane pledge to end all fossil fuel production in a decade), massive tax hikes and regulatory expansions, huge welfare state/redistribution increases, racial "reparations", and an open borders policy designed to turn America into a permanent leftist nation would certainly move the US a lot closer to total socialism, and would represent a more radical lurch in that direction than has usually been the case when a "Socialist" party wins an election and governs a while in a European country.
People who actually know what they're talking about recognize that "liberals" in the US would be called "socialists" in Europe or most other places.
"Americans are 44% more prosperous than the vaunted European Union and over 30% more prosperous than their neighbors to the north. Think about that. It's not a trivial difference. That's a big deal."
do you not know anything about history? Not only is America the most blessed geographical country in the world for defence (they have two weak neighbours and an ocean defending them from any strong enemies) and some could argue resources. WW2 basically gave them the position they now hold today and their economy. this is indisputable. they economy was roaring and ready to go while the europeans had been destroyed.
I do but apparently you know almost nothing about history. The US became the richest country on earth in the 1800s, long before WW2. In fact on the eve of its entry into WW2 the US had a larger GDP than all the other major belligerents on both sides combined. Americans had the highest living standard on earth even before the Revolution in the late colonial period, because it was freer.
Besides, Canada is even more geographically protected and almost as poor as Europe (both are also extremely blessed with resources), so your ignorant argument fails even on a quick glance. Plus your stupid post wouldnāt explain why Hong Kong quickly became so much richer than China, South Korea than North Korea, West Germany than East Germany, etc., if not for socialism being fatally flawed.
I didn't say they were single payer systems did I? I said they were social programs, which they are.
I didnāt say you did, but you raised them in an attempt to defend the āsocialismā of those European nations, and, again, those social programs are going bankrupt.
I agree when the republicans (and dems) continue to cut them and borrow form them their endless wars then turn around and say "look they don't work"!
Although Democrats did raid Medicare to help pay for Obamacare, actually theyāre going bankrupt because they arenāt cost effective and changing demographics, an aging population with fewer young people paying into them, have turned them into time bombs.
You know nothing about economics, history, or how the world works. Consider changing your lifestyle of regurgitating low brow leftist propaganda points and passing out in pubs.
everything you wrote was total garbage lol. that was so embarrassing man. you wouldn't pass a university politics or Econ class in even the most right wing of institutions
lol this comment. I just had to respond "besides, Canada is even more geographically protected and almost as poor as Europe (both are also extremely blessed with resources), so your ignorant argument fails even on a quick glance. Plus your stupid post wouldnāt explain why Hong Kong quickly became so much richer than China, South Korea than North Korea, West Germany than East Germany, etc., if not for socialism being fatally flawed. "
LOL ohhh ya my argument falls apart because Canada and the USA are the same? oh right. The USA has 10 times the population. Can in many parts grow food and extract resources year round. Has better access to trading partners because it has two just north and south..Its river system made trade and travel far far easier something Canada didn't have. but ya... sure man....... keep literally reinventing basic geographic and trade facts to suit your opinion.
the USA's GDP didn't pass Britain's until around 1910. Come 1915 america's gdp is noticeably larger than the UK. post ww2 Englands GPD compared to 1915 is about 50% higher. the US's is 300% higher. in 1915 the US accounted for 1/6th the worlds GDP. by 1950 they were 1/3rd the entire worlds GDP. Can your tiny brain figure out what happened between1913-1950 that would stagnate Europes Economies and Grow americas? So again, you have no damn clue what you are talking about. Americas larger population, geographical advantage and massive ww1 and ww2 war profiteering and subsequent condition of their economy + the marshal plan meant they could meet the demand that a broken Europes economy couldn't. They weren't better capitalists who won the economic battle due to their freer more open markets! They were lucky geographically and profited off dead europeans. These "spoils of empire" don't simply go away after 10 years and then the global economic playing field is re-leveled. The USA will naturally enjoy an economic boost from this for decades or centuries as we have seen with all other empires whether it was the British or Portuguese or romans or Greeks because of the various advantages money provides and how it helps you not only get ahead of other powers but maintain your position.
you clearly haven't taken a single political economics class and it shows
"But I'll deal with the drivel you dropped before you fled. " Incel neckbeard confirmed lol
LOL! My post stung you into replying rather than leaving as you bitchily announced, proving yourself a liar. Cool.
Again, you're a moron who knows nothing about economics, politics, or history. The US economy actually became the world's largest somewhere around 1870-1900 according to most estimates. The most updated version of the most used database actually has the US passing the UK as early as 1853:
GDP in PPP-converted 2011 US dollars (MPD database)
I never denied WW2 gave the US a boost in relative rankings for a while. Of course it did. In fact I've made the point myself over the years when arguing that some late 20th Century pundits talking about inexorable US "decline" were using an aberrational post WW2 baseline. In other words the USA's shrinking share of global GDP is more a return to normalcy.
But the US had already become the wealthiest nation on earth long before WW2, and accounted for well over 20% of global GDP. And that WW2 "boost" was relative compared to a largely destroyed world, not a result of "war profiteering", you idiot. Both world wars cost the US enormously, as did the burden born by America in the long Cold War that followed, from direct aid to slanted trade deals propping up "allies" at Americans' expense to spilled blood. Unlike Britain, the US does not rule an "empire". Even the ancient Athenians exacted tribute from their client states as other empires have. The US has done the opposite.
Contrary to your claim, the top of per capita GDP rankings is typically dominated by tiny states, if for no other reason than smaller populations are subject to wilder swings. The US is the only large nation always at or near the top of those lists. That said, the fact that Canada didnāt develop like the US is noteworthy itself. Itās geographically larger than the US and rich in natural resources. Itās cold, sure, but two thirds of whatās now the US was dismissed as the āGreat American Desertā by early explorers. And much of the rest of the US gets very cold too. Hardy, daring, innovative pioneers who had fought for and won their independence developed new irrigation, farming, mining, transport, and other techniques to master and develop the continent to an unprecedented degree.
Yes, the unique freedom and opportunity America afforded attracted millions from around the world and facilitated economic development that dwarfed Europeās. Nor is WW2 an excuse for Western Europeās relative economic weakness today. Look how fast Japan grew rich and they were nuked. I listed places like Hong Kong and the Koreas for a reason, to illustrate how fast things can change. You failed to address that or anything else Iāve said.
Try to get a real education sometime, you drool-chinned incel. At least Iāve generously provided a start.
While you're stumbling around punch drunk humiliating yourself, I'll continue your education by pointing out that the "built on the backs of slaves" cliche that racial activists sometimes spew and is echoed in your moronic post is also ignorant BS. Slavery enriched the few who had slaves but it actually held back economic development for broader society, as evidenced by the logistical/transport problems the Confederacy faced in the Civil War.
And, as the above data I linked to shows, US Growth really accelerated into the stratosphere in the late 1800s after slavery was abolished, long before America saved Europe's ass in the World Wars and Cold War.
lol neckbeard can't help it with his cringe dungeons and drawings lingo.. remember this man?
"Besides, Canada is even more geographically protected and almost as poor as Europe (both are also extremely blessed with resources), so your ignorant argument fails even on a quick glance. Plus your stupid post wouldnāt explain why Hong Kong quickly became so much richer than China, South Korea than North Korea, West Germany than East Germany, etc., if not for socialism being fatally flawed.
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lol canada disproved my argument hahaha. I want to cite that for other people but I don't know how to bring it up to others that I met someone this retarded :)
Ha Ha, you're so sore from your thrashing you're still hanging around, drool-chin, angrily replying twice this time. Stop lying about having a job, moron. Most of us are employed but judging from your posting you can barely stand up straight, let alone execute routine tasks competently.
ya I sure am sore form your dungeons and dragons dialects lol. drool-chin? lol hahahahahahahahahahahna.
you are a sad loser who no one likes. I guarantee your parents wouldn't care if you disappeared.
Hey can you explain this part again.
""Besides, Canada is even more geographically protected and almost as poor as Europe (both are also extremely blessed with resources), so your ignorant argument fails even on a quick glance. Plus your stupid post wouldnāt explain why Hong Kong quickly became so much richer than China, South Korea than North Korea, West Germany than East Germany, etc., if not for socialism being fatally flawed.
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I guarantee my left and right wing political science proofs would have a laugh and like your sources on this.
š You've had your ass kicked so thoroughly here that you're lying in a puddle of your own drool crying incoherently about "dungeons and dragons" while occasionally repeating my comments as if they're metaphorical fist imprints on your face.
Piss off, loser. Or keep bumping this thread highlighting Warren's telling gaffe. Either's fine.
""Besides, Canada is even more geographically protected and almost as poor as Europe (both are also extremely blessed with resources), so your ignorant argument fails even on a quick glance. Plus your stupid post wouldnāt explain why Hong Kong quickly became so much richer than China, South Korea than North Korea, West Germany than East Germany, etc., if not for socialism being fatally flawed.
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Still waiting on a source for this one. . yes you sound like every single incel neckbeard I've ever met. hahahahahahahahaha.
you couldn't fight an 11 year old girl. beta cucks like you are always internet tough guys. in reality you re overweight losers who couldn't run a 10k to save your life.
what's it like being alone? lol 3200 comments on here. Jesus man I know involuntary celibacy is tough but come on. get a job, lose some weight and find a woman.
drooling moron. are all your insults from the 18th century? is that why you sound like a D&D incel? im emabarassed for
yaa bud I guarantee I've been with more ladies than you. if you ever finally do gt a gf incel send her my way for a real man. im sure she will be a fatty but if it'll make you cry ill take one for the team and show her a good time
lol you've commented on here over 60 times today. is this what unemployment and involuntary celibacy looks like? Sorry man I was working today and then pounding a lady who wouldn't even look at you lol.
Suuuure you were. You're trying too hard, son. You're only embarrassing yourself. Your projected hangups are revealing more about you than the people you try to flame. I'm just using you to bump this thread on Warren, and admittedly have fun knocking you around, but you're really getting angry and frustrated, LOL.
LOL! You're such a sore loser and little incel freak that you're trying to stalk me around the internet now. That's both awesome and creepy. Talk about being in your head.
another thing is that considering scholarships and grants, we don't really know what this guy paid for his daughter ... or even if he was a real person and not a Republican troll sent around to create disinformation. Pubic education works well in the US, and in the 50s-70s we have a very educated populace ...
What happened though is that that education populace began to question the system, and had the intelligence to analyze it and point out its injustices. It was at that time American education started to decline. It was about racism, and killing off the counter-culture.
Did the man you are talking about, assuming he was real, did he spend to send his daughter to an Ivy League school? If that is the case it was his choice and Warren's college plan, or Bernie's for that matter would not have made any difference.
"Pubic education?" š
I know it was a typo but it made me laugh.
Of course there are many details we don't know, nor do we know if he was a plant or something but I just love how you would assume he might be a "Republican troll." š
Still, it doesn't matter because even if it was all made up, her frosty reply is what was important.
Don't work hard because you'll just get screwed in the end. Be lazy and mooch off of others. That's her message.
If you really want to lower the cost of college tuition, end the govt backed student loan program. That would end student loans because no bank would be dumb enough to give someone $250k with zero collateral. That would drop enrollment by 90%. And then universities would have to go back to charging what itās worth, a few thousand for a degree. Not a few hundred thousand.
Higher education is workfare for leftwing propagandists. About 2% of whatās taught in the classroom is necessary. The rest is learned outside the classroom or could be acquired on the internet for free.
Here it is in a nutshell, well said. Address the problem at it's source, don't try throwing money at the symptom. That's the liberal attitude about everything.
The father is a wrong wing jerk. He tried to do the right thing and now wants a reward for it, and wants to invoke that tired old Welfare Queen argument. If some students are given some leniency for the gross over expense of college with no guarantee of commensurate salary, while some were able to figure out a way to get there without tremendous debt, I don't see why they should complain. Be proud you were smart enough and able to do the right thing, and not bitch because you should have gamed the system while expecting the wrong wing to turn their back on you in a heartbeat because millions of Americans in unsustainable debt just isn't a concern for the party of the top 10% in wealth.
The father is a wrong wing jerk. He tried to do the right thing and now wants a reward for it, and wants to invoke that tired old Welfare Queen argument. If some students are given some leniency for the gross over expense of college with no guarantee of commensurate salary, while some were able to figure out a way to get there without tremendous debt, I don't see why they should complain.
Exactly. How N&N fell for it is beyond me.
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She's pretty typical for a stupid liberal: can't do math, doesn't know jack squat about economics, and thinks that taxing the shit out of the working class (which is already overtaxed) will solve all our problems. Warren would be happy to be generous with other people's money, so long as she didn't have to spend her own.
Remember, she reaped the benifits of claiming she was a native American, and doubled down when it was proven she was wrong. She has no values, she is only interested in power.
Republicans will do anything to fleece the less-well-off and then crow about how hard they work. They want to leave others behind and then rationalize their greed.
I really disagree with that. I think most people are happy to help someone in need, and donate time and money.
Thatās entirely different than the government taxing the shit out of everyone to pay for things that arenāt their responsibility.
Successful people have donated millions upon millions of dollars to charities, but since itās not enough for people like you, theyāre still assholes, and you still want more. And guess what, maybe they DID work hard, and who the hell are you to say they didnāt? They busted their asses and became successful, so once again, who the hell are people like you to just take that wealth because āthey have more than enough.ā Jealousy is a pathetic trait, and people asking for all the freebies are sickeningly jealous.
You just generalize based on a political party you donāt like. Thatās all anyone does anymore, generalizes until there is nothing left to generalize. Itās beyond a joke at this point.
So all democrats are angels, right? Thereās never been a selfish democrat, correct? They are all kind hearted sweethearts who want to feed the hungry and shelter the poor. Every last one of them. Angels. Give me a break. The only true thing in American politics is hypocrisy.