Adam Schifty: Voters Cannot Be Trusted - Politics Discussion

[–] [deleted] 4 years ago

To the surprise of no one, what Schiff said went right over your head. He never said 'voters can't be trusted', not by a long shot. But you failed to understand what he was actually saying. What a shock!

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[–] kspkap (12987) 4 years ago

Well, please explain what the bucket of Schiff who apparently has diarrhea of the mouth meant when he uttered the following:

“For precisely this reason, the president’s misconduct cannot be decided at the ballot box, for we cannot be assured that the vote will be fairly won."

I see “voter’s can’t be trusted”. “Voters need to be re-educated after all we know best! We can read between the lines of the transcript. Voters are unable to do so.”

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[–] [deleted] 4 years ago

As I said earlier, it went over your head. He's not talking about individual voters, he's talking about the looming threat that our election will suffer outside interference once again by foreign countries. Every eligible American can vote, but if foreign entities (Russia) hack into our systems each vote won't matter. Despite the fact that Americans have been pushing for security of our voting booths and our elections this year, T-rump has done absolutely nothing to secure our voting system - except jokingly tell Putin (on camera) 'don't interfere with our election'.

It's not 'voters can't be trusted' - it's 'our election system can't be trusted'; especially when you have a President who is inviting foreign entities to interfere.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2019/11/01/florida-2020-election-security-few-details/4128800002/

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/05/16/florida-voting-hack-russia-1449198

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/voter-databases-florida-counties-hacked-2016-governor/story?id=63052842

https://www.npr.org/2019/05/14/723215498/florida-governor-says-russian-hackers-breached-two-florida-counties-in-2016

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[–] kspkap (12987) 4 years ago

Seriously, I am more concerned over voter fraud than I am Russian hackers. They may have breached, but they didn’t impact the election. Are you aware of what did? Voter fraud. It’s real. It exists. One woman interviewed said she voted 5 times! Can you imagine how many people voted more than once? My husband and I easily could have done so.

When we lived in Florida we voted by mail. Some how the ballots made their way to our new state, either forwarded or the buyers of the house sent them. I can’t recall...mass confusion in 2012. Anyhow we were registered and prepared to vote in our new state while having the ballots from Florida. It was so tempting because we wanted Obama gone! Thinking about it now we could have ended up with the elitist Mitt Romney the RINO! Eww! But, I was honest, destroyed the ballots, and notified the Supervisor of Elections in Florida to remove us from the voter’s registration rolls.

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[–] [deleted] 4 years ago

That's nice.

But going back to your original question, you asked me to explain what Schiff meant when he said “For precisely this reason, the president’s misconduct cannot be decided at the ballot box, for we cannot be assured that the vote will be fairly won." Again, Schiff was referring to outside interference in our elections from foreign countries, which happened in 2016 - and proven by Florida's system being hacked.

Now do you understand? Have I explained his statement to you?

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[–] kspkap (12987) 4 years ago

“... the president’s misconduct cannot be decided at the ballot box, for we cannot be assured that the vote will be fairly won." What in the hell does that mean? Trump’s misconduct can’t be decided by voting? Lord-a-Mercy! I think Schiffty has looked into the mirror too often. He practices his lies until he actually believes them. He then has a transference situation with Trump.

Yes, I understand there was outside interference in 2016, but votes weren’t changed. They’ve interfered for years...nothing new, just as we interfere in foreign country elections. BTW, how do you know he was referring to outside interference? From your links:

“Nothing that affected the vote count," DeSantis said.”

“There’s no evidence any of the data was tampered with”

“Regarding Friday’s briefing, the FBI said it provided “information involving the attempted intrusion into Supervisor of Elections networks throughout the state. The FBI also provided assurance that investigators did not detect any adversary activity that impacted vote counts or disrupted electoral processes during the 2016 or 2018 elections.”

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[–] [deleted] 4 years ago

"Lawmakers: FBI can’t say with ‘certainty’ Florida voter databases not affected by 2016 hack"

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/05/16/florida-voting-hack-russia-1449198

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[–] kspkap (12987) 4 years ago

I see that. Thanks! Since I’m from Florida I watched intently the polling count fully aware from South Florida to the I-4 corridor (Central Florida) would be Hillary’s. Needless to say I was concerned...then the votes started changing favoring Trump as I knew they would. That’s the way it has been in every election; north of the I-4 corridor trends Republican. But, would it be enough? It was!

Since Florida usually ends up going Republican, except for Obama in 2012, * why wouldn’t Russian hacking go for Trump in South Florida northward? * To repeat, Florida ended up following the same pattern as it’s done for years. See 1012 Florida results. The large dark blue county in the center is Osceola County, my area. It always went Republican until the Hispanics over took the county, heavily populated by Puerto Ricans who as a whole vote Democrat. Same with the Orange and Hillsborough counties. Tallahassee in Leon County is the government (capital) of Florida. Alachua County, University of Florida very liberal. Southeast Florida a bastion of liberalism.

https://www.nytimes.com/elections/2016/results/florida-president-clinton-trump

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[–] [deleted] 4 years ago

Do you understand now what Schiff meant by "For precisely this reason, the president’s misconduct cannot be decided at the ballot box, for we cannot be assured that the vote will be fairly won." ?

Do you understand why he is concerned with security in our elections, and preventing foreign interference with our elections?

Could you even apologize for saying "Schiff who apparently has diarrhea of the mouth" when, in fact, he's looking out for everyone's vote in this country ?

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[–] BuckSwope (3511) 4 years ago

Let's be honest here. As long as it benefits Trump, the repubs are more than happy to let Russia interfere in the election.

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[–] kspkap (12987) 4 years ago

No, because I don’t trust a liar. There was no misconduct, so the question is moot. Yes, I can. I can hear you screaming at the display!🤬

No, because I don’t trust a liar. He’s concerned the truth will knock him down.

No, because I don’t trust a liar. But, how about ratchet jaws with rosy cheeks? I hope he’s not looking out for me...the guy is a sociopath...a lying sociopath. He lies without compunction. He wouldn’t know the truth if it bit him on those rosy cheeks! When he speaks in that smarmy voice you can tell when he’s lying...he looks like a deer caught in the headlights!

Sociopath:
Inflated sense of self-worth
Constant need for stimulation
Lying pathologically
Conning others; being manipulative
Lack of remorse or guilt
Blaming others and refusing to accept responsibility

I just noticed shifty Schiff has a lot in common with Clinton and Trump!
Egads! I hope I don’t see lying shifty Schiff as POTUS!,

Now, do you understand the impeachment plan was put into effect during the campaign?

Now, do you understand 2 of the FISA warrants against Carter Page had no standing?

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[–] Gd5150 (10976) 4 years ago

Those of us educated in modern politics have seen this on the horizon for a while. It’s all part of the communist run Democrat party plan. We figured another 5 - 10 years.

Now that the Democrat media/party know they can’t win. They’ll be as against the free election process as they are against free speech, free press, and the rest of the US Constitution that protects the free people of the United States.

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[–] BuckSwope (3511) 4 years ago

Communist run democrat party that is trying to keep Russia from interfering in our elections? Do you realize how asinine you sound?

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[–] BuckSwope (3511) 4 years ago

When one resorts to silly nicknames they have shown they have no hand to play.

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[–] atomicx (234) 4 years ago

You mean nicknames like T-Rump and Ghouliani?

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[–] Gd5150 (10976) 4 years ago

Buckwipe nailed in the keister again. Lmao!

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[–] BuckSwope (3511) 4 years ago

Gay!

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[–] Gd5150 (10976) 4 years ago

Buckwipe, and exercise in getting owned.

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[–] BuckSwope (3511) 4 years ago

You're the one talking about a man taking it in the ass. Gay!

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[–] Gd5150 (10976) 4 years ago

I never assumed you were a man.

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[–] BuckSwope (3511) 4 years ago

Well I am. You were saying?

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[–] krl97a (5619) 4 years ago

Anyone else remember all the hand wringing Democrats and the leftist media did during the campaign over Trump's refusal to preemptively declare that the election would be valid no matter what? They were characterizing him as a dangerous traitor for that, LOL!

Look what those sore losers have been doing since. Stuff like that is why those idiots have no credibility.

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[–] [deleted] 4 years ago

Anyone else remember when T-rump said in late October, 2016 that he had it on 'excellent authority' that the election results would be rigged? Many, many, many people were telling him this wasn't going to be an honest election and the results were rigged. He warned us not to believe the results - he had it on 'excellent authority' that the election was rigged. LOL!

Looks like he was 100% correct.

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[–] krl97a (5619) 4 years ago

Are you saying Trump is as bad as you, the Democratic party, and the entire leftist media establishment, LOL? That's a nasty charge.

In fairness to Trump, he had in mind the DNC, CNN, etc. rigging the Democratic primary for Clinton over Sanders, which absolutely happened. At least Trump is right now. The general election was fair and valid. Well it wasn't fair given how much the leftist establishment tried to rig it against Trump, but he won anyway so it was legitimate.

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[–] ultravioletx (10212) 4 years ago

Except we discovered Guccifer 2.0 did indeed hack into the DNC server and release the emails through Wikileaks strategically before the election to hurt Hillary's chances.

And when the FBI decided to look into it, the Trump cult declared the whole thing was a deep state coup against him.

And when Crowdstrike discovered Guccifer 2.0 was Russian, Trump targeted Crowdstrike.

In fairness to Trump? Trump was pulling conjecture from his ass. Whereas the investigation into the DNC hack was not only legitimate, but constitutionally necessary.

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[–] krl97a (5619) 4 years ago

"Crowdstrike", LOL? Get real. If you cared at all about integrity in elections you'd be worried about the Democrat and media corruption exposed by the emails and grateful to whomever (we don't know who it was) leaked them.

Virtually the entire media is in the left's pocket and was even joined by much of the GOP establishment in waging an unprecedented propaganda war against Trump during the campaign. That's the threat to our democracy. Unfortunately, outside of a few conservative blogs, the media barely covered the substance of the emails. Instead whenever the topic was raised it followed Clinton's direction by derailing the discussion onto Russia and advancing the narrative that it for some insane reason wanted Trump to win (then why did it organize anti-Trump rallies and promote Black Lives Matter?). So even Wikileaks had no discernible pro Trump impact on the election, though it should have.

What started as deflection during the campaign became an excuse for Clinton losing afterwards. Then, thanks to Obama swamp rat scumbags like McCabe, Comey, and Strzok, and their "insurance policy" against Trump, it became a way to harass and try to remove the President from power. Fortunately it failed.

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[–] ultravioletx (10212) 4 years ago

I was grateful, but it needs to be saved for after the election. Just like the FBI kept their Russian investigation into Trump's campaign a secret until after the election. You don't see me saying we should've known the FBI was looking into it before the election, but I 100% agree it should've been looked into.

Trump and the rethugs just don't understand that. They want everything to be public, not because they actually care about an email server or Burisma, but to play a political game to help them win elections.

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[–] krl97a (5619) 4 years ago

One, no that type of entrenched party/candidate/media corruption should be exposed well before the election. It literally involved CNN secretly passing upcoming debate questions to Clinton!

Two, Trump had nothing to do with Wikileaks.

Three, the DOJ "investigation" of Trump's campaign was illicit and politically motivated, as has been clearly exposed. It was part of an "insurance policy" in the unlikely (so they thought) case that Trump actually won. A path for neutralizing his presidency. Fortunately those corrupt schemers' plot is in the climax of ultimately failing. In fact if there had been a legitimate investigation they should have informed Trump about it, which would have been standard procedure in such a situation. And Democrats and the media were openly accusing Trump of being Putin's ally anyway and Russia of interfering in the election so that talking point was out there during the campaign and frankly got more coverage then the substance exposed by Wikileaks. Voters rightly saw through it as BS though.

Treasonous Democrats want to keep their corruption, like that exposed by Wikileaks and the Burisma mess, secret, and are pushing this impeachment farce, not because they give one whit about national security or the law but because they're playing political games to try to help them win elections and (in some cases) to enrich their pockets.

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[–] Gd5150 (10976) 4 years ago

You mean like when a few weeks before the 2016 election President Obama said this:

"There is no serious person out there who would suggest somehow that you could even rig America's elections. There's no evidence that that has happened in the past or that there are instances in which that will happen this time."

The funniest part about this no one even argues that Russia has always tried to influence our elections. He couldn’t even be honest about that.

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[–] NormaAndNorman (3900) 4 years ago

By their belief today, Obama was president during this time which means it happened under his watch!
INVESTIGATE!!!

😅

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[–] Quasimodo (16388) 4 years ago

No-one can be trusted. It is known...

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[–] B1cKsurN (14647) 4 years ago

We should bring back the old voting rights. Land owners, and net tax payers only. It's the only way to be sure those that have a real stake in the country/economy have the most say.

I actually agree with Schiff for Brains...our elections are too dangerous for the stupid to be participating.

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[–] ultravioletx (10212) 4 years ago

Schiff didn't say that. Schiff was implying election fraud could skew the votes, not the voters themselves.

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[–] B1cKsurN (14647) 4 years ago

I know he didn't. I just agree that elections are too important to have idiots participating.

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[–] [deleted] 4 years ago

Whom are you agreeing with ? Certainly not Schiff since he never said that or implied that.

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[–] NormaAndNorman (3900) 4 years ago

They need to worry more about these illegals voting. But since the Democrats know they'll get their vote they're quiet about this.
They also want people in prison to be able to vote (again, most would vote democrat).
Oh and let's not forget letting 16 year olds vote! They're doing a bang up job of brainwashing them to leftist views in schools.
Dead people voting too...☠️

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[–] ultravioletx (10212) 4 years ago

Trump and the repubs have all the latitude to investigate the full scope of illegal voting. They don't bother because they fear the results will show the democrats are correct that the majority of voter fraud favors republicans.

So repubs will simply do the fake news tactic of saying illegals sway the vote without actually proving it. It's more effective that way.

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[–] NormaAndNorman (3900) 4 years ago

Oh my goodness, you're so far off the mark it's not even funny.

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[–] ultravioletx (10212) 4 years ago

As I said, it's more effective for you and the cult to imply stuff than it is to actually prove it.

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[–] BuckSwope (3511) 4 years ago

Trump constantly claims "millions" of fraudulent votes were cast in California yet there is NOTHING to support that.

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[–] kspkap (12987) 4 years ago

Not so. BTW, I don’t usually refer to people as jerks, but I’m making an exception in your case. You really are a jerk! I’ve had it with you referring to Trump voters as members of a cult! Would you consider yourself a member of an Obama cult. I wouldn’t call you a member of a cult. I would refer to you as a person who is “one french fry shy of a Happy Meal”.

“Ohioan gets 5-year prison term for illegal voting”

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/07/17/cincinnati-illegal-voting/2530119/

“Non-citizen’ arrested for voting five times in Texas“

http://www.theamericanmirror.com/iowa-residents-attempt-vote-multiple-times/

“Woman Votes Multiple Times in Election 2012 but Denies Voter Fraud!“

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nX6E2Ucv7S8

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[–] ultravioletx (10212) 4 years ago

Trump's cult are those incapable of criticizing him. I was capable of criticizing Obama, so no.

Voter fraud has favored republicans more than democrats. And republicans were even caught in election fraud in North Carolina, surpassing mere voter fraud.

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[–] NormaAndNorman (3900) 4 years ago

Well then you jumped the gun because I was in a conversation with kspkap just the other day where she was critical of President Trump, as was I.
You should really be more careful about making assumptions.
You owe her an apology.

https://moviechat.org/bd0000082/Politics/5e27276381d1d417f2bd8cd8/When-The-Shoe-Is-On-The-Other-Foot?reply=5e2802ee81d1d417f2bd95eb

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[–] kspkap (12987) 4 years ago

Thank you! I became ill this evening and wasn’t able to reply. I’ll catch you tomorrow. Oh heck...it is tomorrow...it’s 3:00 AM!

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[–] NormaAndNorman (3900) 4 years ago

Oh no, kspkap! Are you feeling better? I haven't been around the boards since Saturday morning. I see I have a lot of catching up to do around here. 😅

Did UV ever apologize to you? 😏

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[–] kspkap (12987) 4 years ago

No apology...I didn’t expect one. Anti-Trumpers don’t apologize when they are in error. They deflect and bring something else into the mix, such name calling with profanity, ad hominem attacks, etc. That’s all they have left when presented with the facts which differs from what they write.

And no, I’m still ill. Severe flare ups of IBS. BP this evening was 197/101. Thanks much for asking. Have a good evening, morning, afternoon where ever you are. 😊

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[–] NormaAndNorman (3900) 4 years ago

I agree.

Have you tried a probiotic for your IBS? Or how about a holistic approach? I haven't dealt with it so I don't know how effective it is but it may be something to consider.
I'm sure I don't need to tell you to see the doctor about your blood pressure.
Saying some prayers for you. 🙏😇

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[–] kspkap (12987) 4 years ago

I’ve attempted everything. The only thing that works, stops the spasms and the severe pain is a morphine tablet. Up until last year my doctor would subscribe 30 for 6 months, but the druggies put a stop to that. As a result our primary doctors no longer treat us. We are informed we have to see a pain management doctor. “A pain management doctor for IBS?” was my response.

At the time I only had flare ups about twice a month, so I didn’t have to take the pill very often. Now every time I eat solids I’m in pain, but I suffer with it...actually screaming! The new neighbors probably think my feeble husband is beating me with his cane! LOL! Thanks for the prayer...I need all I can get.

I have to stay upright to take of the husband, the dog and do all he used to do. We have a can light which has dropped out of the kitchen ceiling which is 9 ft. I’m going to have to haul my large heavy safety ladder to climb up to the top step, I change the smoke alarms, the ac thermostats, fix the toilets, take the huge garbage can to the curb, etc.

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[–] NormaAndNorman (3900) 4 years ago

Oh you poor thing! I wish I had some useful advice. 🙁

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[–] kspkap (12987) 4 years ago

Thanks, but as my dad used to say “No matter how bad off you are...there’s someone in worse shape!” True words!

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[–] NormaAndNorman (3900) 4 years ago

Absolutely! We always have to count our blessings.

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[–] snepts (11123) 4 years ago

The supposed effect of illegal voting is such a red herring. Doesn't exist on any significant level, if at all. And if it did, it would be something the pubs would engineer, since they can't trust our citizens to vote their way.
So as always, like Chicken Little, pubs cry foul at shadows to distract from their own lack of character and sense of fairness toward our community at large. Rotten to the core, lead by Trump and McConnell. They ARE the swamp they claim they want to drain. Lock them up.

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[–] NormaAndNorman (3900) 4 years ago

Not true at all.
You're in denial if you think this isn't happening.

I trust OUR citizens and they can vote whatever way they like. As long as they are actual AMERICAN citizens.

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[–] robocat893 (13267) 4 years ago

Trump supporters claim that over three million illegal aliens voted for Hillary in the 2016 presidential election. Do you know how stupid that sounds? If this were true then somebody would have noticed yet no one did. Every investigation into this turned up nothing. The reality is Trump lost the popular vote in 2016 and he will lose in 2020 because most Americans citizens hate Trump. I just hope that you won't be too devastated when that happens.

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[–] snepts (11123) 4 years ago

Or they will work very hard to create a scenario where they get votes they don't earn and hope they will convince everyone some scurrilous accusation really happened.
Spread lies over the internet and expect them to gain traction.
Pizza Gate !
Sounds like foreign interference with the complicity of our disgraced un-American pub cousins.

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[–] BuckSwope (3511) 4 years ago

Amen! The chicken little repubs. LMAO.

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[–] [deleted] 4 years ago

They don't worry about gerrymandering and voter suppression, though, correct ? They don't want to investigate the voter suppression which went on in Georgia in 2018, and what's bound to happen again this year, correct ? Just those 'illegals' and 'prisoners' need investigating!

LOL!

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[–] Gd5150 (10976) 4 years ago

Democrat media straight up gaslighting the public about Schiff. He has been lying for months and years about Trump and they praise him endlessly. He said he’s saw proof of Russia collusion 2 years ago. Still no evidence. He keeps repeating the conversation Trump had with Ukrain except none of what he says is in the transcript.

Smell that? This is the end of the communist Democrat party/media.

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[–] BuckSwope (3511) 4 years ago

A Trump supporter calling someone a liar! Trump supporters have no credibility when it comes to calling out liars. It's beyond absurd.

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[–] Gd5150 (10976) 4 years ago

Schiff said on CNN countless times he’d see evidence of Trump/Russia collusion.

Here’s one example:
https://youtu.be/T_5mct8WArc

We now know thanks to Bob Mueller and the 16 Democrat contributors on his team that there was ZERO evidence of Russia collusion. Zero evidence was also confirmed by the deputy AG.

Well done buckwipe, your ass has been handed to you again. How’s it taste?

Biggest laughing stock at MC. Post often sweetie.

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[–] BuckSwope (3511) 4 years ago

You have an unhealthy obsession with my ass. Please stop.

And again, Trump supporters have no ground to stand on wen it comes to calling someone a liar.

And again, stop talking about my ass(and how it tastes).

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[–] AmeriGirl26 (12189) 4 years ago

So, the very people who put his cronies in power can't be trusted eh? Well guess what, Adam Schitt, you don't live in a totalitarian dictatorship, so quit fantasizing in front of everyone and making an ass of yourself.

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