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Beta says he'd strip churches, schools, and charities of tax exempt status if they don't support gay marriage.


He's a loser whose candidacy is toast anyway, but this is indicative of the broader left's surge toward totalitarianism, and using the government to shut down dissent rather than trying to persuade voters to agree with them on particular issues (aka the traditional American way).

"Democratic presidential hopeful Beto O'Rourke says he'd strip churches of tax-exempt status if they don't support same-sex marriage.

When the former Texas congressman was asked if religious institutions -- "colleges, churches, charities" -- should be stripped of tax-exempt status Thursday night by CNN anchor Don Lemon during the LGBTQ town hall, he immediately responded, "Yes."

The crowd erupted in applause before O'Rourke further explained. "There can be no reward, no benefit, no tax break for anyone or any institution, any organization in America, that denies the full human rights and the full civil rights of every single one of us," he said. "So as president, we're going to make that a priority, and we are going to stop those who are infringing upon the human rights of our fellow Americans.

In O'Rourke's "Plan to Pursue Equality for LGBTQ+ People and Ensure They Can Live Openly Without Fear of Discrimination or Violence," he lists reversing the Trump administration's "attempt to expand religious exemptions in order to enable discrimination or harm others."

He adds, "Freedom of religion is a fundamental right, but it should not be used to discriminate."

Matt Lewis, CNN political commentator, tweeted out, "This isn't going to help win the electoral college. If you wonder why so many Christians are willing to hold their nose and support someone as horrible as Donald Trump, this helps explain it."

Luke Goodrich, vice president and senior counsel at Becket, a religious liberty law firm, called it "blatantly unconstitutional," adding "it's also foolish because those groups provide billions of dollars in essential social services to their communities. Churches and ministries should be allowed to hold centuries-old beliefs without fear of government retribution."

And Hiram Sasser, general counsel for First Liberty Institute, told Fox News their faith-based organization has taken on the government before.

“When the Obama IRS came after pastors gathering together in conferences with Rick Perry support traditional marriage, we had to defend the pastors,” Sasser said. “We beat the IRS then and we would do it again if O’Rourke attacks churches with the IRS in the future.”

President Trump has championed religious liberty, largely winning the evangelical vote in 2016, and earlier this year, his administration launched a global effort to decriminalize homosexuality."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/beto-church-of-tax-exempt-status-gay-marriage

If "religious freedom is a fundamental right", as he says, then people absolutely should be allowed to discriminate as they see fit, especially if the "discrimination" in question is simply their own personal opinions. Every law, moral principle, or rule is an act of discrimination. Frankly so is every thought, separating one concept from another to form an idea, rendering his statement irrational and dangerous nonsense.

I wish some reporter would ask him if discrimination against polygamous or incestuous "marriages" violates those people's "human rights", and if not why not?

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Beto must be eating more of that magic dirt again.

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I saw a political cartoon about that! rofl!

https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/74d83eb1f980aac6f940db86dfe18acf7af9c1664031072a8d428809f7efd72a.jpg

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When he found the "magic" dirt he started chomping on to help cope with his loss to Cruz, he literally brought it back home and pushed his family into eating it too.

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Hehe, who needs to drink the Kool-aid when you have that to munch on?

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There IS such a thing as separation of church and state.

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Actually not in the Constitution, but taxing something seems like the opposite of separation.

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lulz. Actually yes in the Constitution says the Supreme Court. They've spelled out explicitly in decisions beginning from Everson v. Board of Education, Lemon v. Kurtzman, and all subsequent rulings on the topic that the wall of separation between church and state is implied in Establishment Clause, Free Exercise Clause, and Article 6 of the Constitution. Since they are the final arbiter on how the Constitution is interpreted and not you, that means you're wrong. Your simplistic and literal reading of the Constitution is utterly devoid in comprehension of the historical context and framer's intent. Come back when you've improved.

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implied

In other words it's not there, lol. Nor is it "implied", but educating you on constitutional law would require years and be off topic. It's not a "separation" anyway if the government is ordering churches and other private groups what they must believe, under penalty of fine. It also tramples other parts of the First Amendment, including but not limited to that pesky Free Exercise clause.

Of course even a Democrat who's remotely legally informed and who at least pretends to not want the Constitution bulldozed knows Beta's pandering proposal is blatantly unconstitutional.

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lulz. You know nothing of constitutional law and you just proved it once again. I encourage that you read those landmark decisions if you want to become more informed instead of trying to pretend you understand a topic that you so transparently struggle to grasp.

Oh, that's right, you don't read legal documents. You require Fox News or Federalist Society propagandists to dumb it down and interpret them for you. Too bad. You might want to work on expanding your vocabulary by looking up the word 'implied' in the dictionary. What it'll tell you is that 'implied' means implicitly understood by everyone except those too limited by intellectual shortcomings that makes it impossible to grasp what should be obvious. That means you in case you're having a hard time understanding what that "implies".

Doubling down on your belligerently ignorant opinion doesn't make you right. It just confirms once again that you have no idea what you're talking about.

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LOL! Wrong, boy. I've been educating you on basic legal terms and concepts for months, during which you've humiliated yourself with a series of ignorant displays. You know nothing about the law, constitutional or otherwise. You just googled "separation of church and state" and copy pasted some stuff that popped up without reading it.

Neither of the court cases you cite here had anything to do with stripping churches of tax exempt status, let alone doing so because they don't agree with a particular political issue stance. They were about federal reimbursement of private schools with a religious bent. The infamous "Lemon test" isn't even still used, having been long criticized and discarded by the courts, not that it has anything to do with this topic.

Before you retreat like the cowardly weasel you are into claiming you weren't commenting on the actual topic but were just narrowly rebutting my observation that the Constitution doesn't say anything about a "separation of church and state", I'm completely right, as even you implicitly concede. I spoke of the Constitution, not terrible court rulings from a couple of centuries later that not only disregarded the First Amendment's literal text, but its historical context, which included a desire to protect the existing established state religions at the time from federal interference, along with preventing Congress from creating a "Church of the United States" like the Church of England. Clearly the Establishment Clause was specific to the federal congress and never should have been incorporated via the 14th Amendment as restricting the states. It certainly wasn't intended to purge all religious references from the public sphere, or else we wouldn't have military chaplains, theistic mottos, or the founding fathers initiating the practice of opening congressional sessions with led prayers, a tradition continued to this day.

I know all this because I've spent years studying it. You don't because you haven’t and because your reading comprehension sucks anyway.

Again, this is all a tangent though. What’s pertinent here are free speech, free assembly, and the Free Exercise Clause, among other rights.


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Since they are the final arbiter on how the Constitution is interpreted and not you, that means you're wrong. Your simplistic and literal reading of the Constitution is utterly devoid in comprehension of the historical context and framer's intent. Come back when you've improved.


ROTFLMAO !!!!!!!

This has to be the best response to this idiot for 2019!

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I know you're butthurt from being stomped all over the board, doggie, but you're too desperate and trying too hard there. Mindlessly backslapping that idiotic post from someone as butthurt as you are is reminiscent of you rushing in to blindly praise eyedef's faceplant where he misread his own source and claimed the Dayton shooter was a Republican when he was actually a rabid Antifa-supporting leftist.

doggiedaddy: "Thank You!

Now let's see all the T-rumptards ignore this important fact."

https://moviechat.org/bd0000082/Politics/5d47d6c89f3c622265e18a9d/So-it-turns-out-that-the-Dayton-killer-is-a-leftist-Elizabeth-Warren-and-AOC-supporter-who-is-a-socialist-antifa-bro-n?reply=5d497e901e1dc6397a3ee7ab

LOL! Do you still feel that's an "important fact"?



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All religions should lose their tax exempt status.

So I kind of agree with you. It shouldn't be dependant on whether they allow gay marriage or whatever. None of them should have had it in the first place.

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Actually "religions" shouldn't be taxed in the first place, but at least maybe we can agree that their tax status shouldn't depend on which stance they hold on political issues.

This policy is essentially a fine for believing in the Bible or being social conservative.

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No, they should be taxed like any other business.

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Businesses aren't taxed based on which political/religious views they hold either. At least not yet. I pray to God this country never plunges into that dark abyss.

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Actually "religions" shouldn't be taxed in the first place, but at least maybe we can agree that their tax status shouldn't depend on which stance they hold on political issues.


Excellent point that I agree with 100%. Especially in these current times, where more and more clergy are becoming very vocal with their personal beliefs at the pulpit, and want to sway their congregation. If that's what they wish to do, then their 'place of worship' tax status should be reviewed.

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where more and more clergy are becoming very vocal with their personal beliefs at the pulpit,

How dare they! It's almost as if these uppity religious types think this is a free country. Well Beta and doggiedaddy would set them straight, yes sir!

Would you apply that "no political discussion at all or you get taxed" rule to other non profit groups too, including "human rights" organizations, charities, activists (e.g. the Southern Poverty Law Center), etc.?

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Are those other organizations operating under religions?

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Do religious people have less freedom than hack propaganda outfits like the SPLC that enjoy tax exempt status?

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You really don’t understand the constitution, do you?

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LOL! More than you'll ever know. You didn't answer the question.

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You never answered mine

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I literally just answered a question from you. Now answer mine.

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You answered with a question. My first question has a simple yes or no answer and you didn’t answer. You asked a question about something else. More smokescreens from you. As usual.

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I answered your "constitution" question. I would answer your other question but I'm not sure what "operating under religions" means. We were discussing non-churches there, which aren't churches by definition. They may or may not have religious beliefs. Answering my question would have helped clarify your position. But since you're a little bitch who can't help but ooze incompetence you've wasted multiple posts now.

The SPLC, which I specifically mentioned, is generally secular and aggressively anti-Christian. More pertinently it's a political propaganda outfit and a smear merchant money making scam......with tax exempt status.

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this loon will never be elected anyways...

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Good.

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Bigot.

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I'm not surprised the cowardly totalitarian tool who wants the government to declare the NRA a "terrorist group" so your political opponents will be imprisoned or killed is for curtailing religious freedom too.

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So, what factory do you think was responsible for churning out all those mindless drones at his rally?

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It was a gay townhall with several candidates attending, hence the pandering, but wherever they came from they certainly don't care one whit about freedom or, ironically, equal treatment before the law.

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Manufacturer: Let's see, the order here is for approximately 2,000 clones. You've checked the boxes for

- IQ of 60
- left-leaning
- same maturity as 5-year-olds
- feelings over facts
- of all ethnic groups
- 30% will identify as gay
- 60% are women on the lower end of the attractive spectrum
- have dreadful taste in clothes
- total pigs on the neatness meter
- extra loud
- prone to violent tantrums
- have ears that only hear what they WANT to hear
- see Trump as either Hitler or Satan incarnate
- buy into all the lies about how great socialism is
- hate Christians
- follow the Climate Change Cult
- love Muslims, despite how they view women and gays
- hate anyone white or straight

Is this correct?

Beto: Yep, and I need them in a week. I'll pay extra for any attractive children you can include in the batch. I'll make use of them later for....reasons.

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You do love your lists, don't you?

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LOL!

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