https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSE12suK5lM
California wants to pass a bill that makes it a requirement in order to graduate... Need them new neutered white/white guilt recruits for the ANTIFA brigade or eco fascist.
Most Trumpists are uneducated therefore it won't include you, anyway.
shareWhat does that even have to do with anything?
share"Need them new neutered white/white guilt recruits for the ANTIFA brigade or eco fascist"
Where do you come up with this stuff? It's like you're ripping it straight from Hannity.
I took an ethnic studies class in college, it was actually highly educational. I'd recommend it to anyone in order to broaden their worldview.
"Need them new neutered white/white guilt recruits for the ANTIFA brigade or eco fascist"
It's nuts. I doubt anyone repeating the talking point has any real idea of what is even taught in an ethnic studies class. How can it be a bad thing or called "indoctrination" to learn of other ethnicities outside one's own?
shareOf course it's indoctrination. Those touting it are hardly sterling character references. The left has dumbed down and weaponized the US education system since seizing control of it a few decades ago. It should be scrapped and rebuilt from scratch.
shareWhat do you think it's 'indoctrinating' genius?
shareTrump supporters believe any type of education is indoctrination. That's why they're so stupid.
shareSounds about right. krl97a's rhetoric that an ethnic studies class represents a "weaponized" US education system is comedy gold. I'm sure he's oblivious as to just how much he sounds like a ridiculous caricature of a right wing nutjob. The sad part is he's actually the real thing. It's not satire.
shareClearly not. If I didn't highly value education I wouldn't care about the US system being dumbed down. Heck, I've been educating you all over this board. For example, before I came along you believed "40%" of the Mueller Report was redacted. Now you know it was only 7%. And I'm not even charging you tuition. ;)
sharelolz. You thought Mueller exonerated Trump of collusion because you believed Bill Barr and never read the report. I had to specifically direct you to the pages to read that proved you wrong.
The best part was when you revealed you didn't even know what a grand jury was. That's when it really became apparent you really had no idea what you were talking about and were no longer worth responding to. You're doing the same thing again now trying to opine on course curriculum that you've never taken.
LOL! You just made up the bizarre grand jury lie you can't support with a quote or link (sad) when you were flailing around trying to distract from the stinging embarrassment of being caught red handed lying about having read the Mueller report ("40%", lol). I had to explain grand jury secrecy laws to you and clear up your confusion about whether any of that material was in the report (you flip flopped during your flailing).
The Mueller report did clear Trump of collusion. You just hadn't read it and don't know what the pertinent words mean. From the report:
"the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities." - Vol. 1 p. 2
"collusion is largely synonymous with conspiracy" - Vol. 1 p. 180
"We understood coordination to require an agreement--tacit or express--between the Trump Campaign and the Russian government on election interference." - Vol. 1 p. 2
Collusion - "Secret or illegal cooperation or conspiracy in order to deceive others."
https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/collusion
"a secret agreement to defraud or deceive"
https://www.thefreedictionary.com/collusion
LOL! If you had read the report, and been properly educated, you'd have known that it made clear it was using more precise language that still fully covered whatever the media might mean by "collusion". That's why you fled that thread in defeat after I posted quotes from the report proving you wrong rather than trying to answer what collusion is even hypothetically possible without any agreement existing.
I'm still educating you, tuition free.
PS - Another quick way anyone can know you're a liar is that you just claimed I'm not worth responding to in one of your many responses to me in ongoing exchanges.
We've already been through this and you're gaslighting again. It was YOU that didn't understand that redactions come from grand jury material but not all grand jury material is going to be in the redactions. That's because you didn't understand what the role and function of what a grand jury was in relation to the report. It's why you cited Vox to prove that grand jury material would be in the redactions. If you had any real idea of the role of a grand jury you would have known that goes without saying without citing Vox. I had to point out to you that not all grand jury material was going to be in the redactions.
I'm just going to cut and paste what I said last time. This is the exact quote from page 180 of the Mueller Report you did not read:
"As an initial matter, this Office evaluated potential criminal conduct that involved the collective action of multiple individuals not under the rubric of "collusion," but through the lens of conspiracy law"
You're a stupid clown spinning your wheels. Mueller cleared Trump of conspiracy and coordination, which completely cover collusion, as the quotes I posted above prove. He cleared Trump of having any type of agreement with Russia about the election. That's why you can't name a single conceivable form of collusion that wouldn't fit coordination. Your problem is that you didn't know what these words meant until I educated you.
You revealed even deeper ignorance on the other thread when you implied "collusion" is some broader set of federal US crime (you seem to be doubling down here). As I explained to you (since you were caught red handed lying about having read the report), Mueller said they didn't use the word "collusion" because it doesn't mean anything in federal law.
From page 180 (which you clearly hadn't read and only cited because you misread what some low quality blog fed you) after your quote (which doesn't include the word "broader", liar), and after saying "collusion" has appeared in the media: "But collusion is not a specific offense or theory of liability found in the U.S. Code; nor is it a term of art in federal criminal law. To the contrary, even as defined in legal dictionaries, collusion is largely synonymous with conspiracy as that crime is set forth in the general federal conspiracy statue….(collusion is “[a]n agreement to defraud another or to do or obtain something forbidden by law”). For that reason, this Office’s focus in resolving the question of joint criminal liability was on conspiracy as defined in federal law, not the commonly discussed term “collusion”."
It repeats that on page 2. You keep futilely trying to gaslight. Your "grand jury" paragraph is a complete lie, which is why you didn't quote anything. I corrected you by pointing out that some grand jury material was included in the redactions after you said "Grand jury material is separate from redactions". Your stinging embarrassments keep piling up.
I've ALWAYS said he was cleared of *conspiracy*. You're the assclown that keeps trying to maintain he was cleared of collusion when that's specifically NOT what Mueller said.
"NOT UNDER THE RUBRIC OF COLLUSION."
What's really hilarious to me right now is that you were incapable of doing the homework assignment I gave you that, had you been able to complete, would have educated you to the fact that collusion is a broader umbrella term that means more than just conspiracy or coordination. It's obvious just how ignorant you are to what is implied by the term "rubric of collusion", not an uncommon term in legal circles, or why Mueller even used that term to begin with. It's very amusing watching you throw your little temper tantrum because you can't figure out what crimes would fall under that rubric that Mueller chose not to assess because he only chose only to focus on federal conspiracy law.
So yeah, your quote of Mueller is right. Collusion is not a specific crime. That's because it's MANY crimes. Mueller calls it "largely synonymous" with conspiracy, but obviously he doesn't consider it strictly synonymous or he wouldn't have explicitly spelled out NOT UNDER THE RUBRIC OF COLLUSION. That's why I gave you the homework assignment of naming some collusive crimes that don't fall under the rubric of conspiracy. Don't get all pissy at me just because you proved incapable of doing your homework.
Yeah I know as usual you're going to gaslight and whine and throw your little hissy fit and accuse me of gaslighting you. But I rest assured supremely confident of my expertise and your ignorance on this topic, just as I'm confident that anyone with legal background reading this will likewise recognize you're the one shamelessly advertising your profound ignorance. Should someone else come along and ask politely for answers to your homework assignment I'd graciously tell them. But for you, you're going to have to beg.
So yeah, your quote of Mueller is right. Collusion is not a specific crime. That's because it's MANY crimes.
Mueller calls it "largely synonymous" with conspiracy, but obviously he doesn't consider it strictly synonymous or he wouldn't have explicitly spelled out NOT UNDER THE RUBRIC OF COLLUSION.
LMAO! As much as you wish Mueller didn't say "NOT UNDER THE RUBRIC OF COLLUSION" those words aren't going away, no matter how much you cut and paste everything he said afterward you assclown.
You're such a sore loser.
Too bad you're not interested in doing your homework. To try and claim you were able to pass any college level course is laughable.
No agreement, no collusion.
Exonerated.
You lose, as always, dickmunch. And you still get an F. Your reading comprehension is so poor it's not a sure thing you graduated high school. Fortunately that's not required to be the punching bag you are. You do it well, and you're such a dishonest partisan clown one doesn't feel bad about pounding you.
Good one, Sparky. That clever barb is the mark of a first rate "edjmacation". Very witty. No really.
shareLeftist garbage on balance. Ethnic chauvinism (except for whites, who are universally attacked even in the new "white studies" classes springing up). Activism is promoted, but only from one side. Specifics depend on the class.
Armando Navarro, chair of the Ethnic Studies department at UC Riverside, is a long time La Raza Unido activist who claims Mexico is a victim of US "imperialism" and views the southwest US as "occupied Aztlan", the legendary Aztec homeland that he gleefully sees being conquered through "remexification". He also cites Saul Alinski and communist thugs Che Guevara and Daniel Ortega as influences, keeping their pictures in his office.
Saida Grundy, professor of African American and gender studies at Boston University, has attacked white men as a "problem population" and asserted that "White masculinity is THE problem for America’s colleges", among other bigoted tirades (she was also bizarrely charged with felony identity theft and computer crime for a revenge scheme where she created a fake account of a woman dating a man she liked on an adult site a few years before she became a professor).
I could list countless examples but this captures the general flavor. This activism training masquerading as "education", may be worse at the infamous Evergreen College than anywhere else, and brainwashed Rachel Correy into hating Israel with tragic consequences. https://www.jewishpress.com/news/on-campus/rachel-corrie-and-evergreen-state/2012/09/02/ Evergreen is also the place where organized black students demanded a "no whites allowed" day and used mob tactics to continuously harass a white professor who showed up anyway.
Now CA wants to require high school students to take an "ethnic studies" course rightly being criticized as anti-Semitic, anti-American, and rabidly left wing.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/aug/11/california-ethnic-studies-model-curriculum-decried/
Washington Times? lulz. You need to cut the right wing Sun Myung Moon cult propaganda out your reading repertoire. Looks like it's giving you brain cancer.
All you ever do is ape right wing talking points. This is more proof.
You didn't cite anything I, the Washington Times, or the Jewish Press got wrong, you mindless buffoon. If you bothered to follow current events you'd know I could have linked to the Washington Post, LA Times, or any number of other media outfits saying the same thing about the controversy over the CA "ethnic studies" curriculum (but mostly behind a paywall, and not as well as the Washington Times anyway).
shareDon't get all pissy at me just because I'm pointing out just how absurd you look citing from the propaganda arm of a loony right wing Korean Christian cult in trying to argue your even loonier idea that the US education system has been "weaponized".
But I do appreciate that you've exposed yourself with your extremist rhetoric and fringe sources as a right wing casualty. You do a better job discrediting yourself when you ape your batshit right wing talking points from the Washington Times than anything I could ever say to discredit you. 😃
The Washington Times is easily the best quality paper in DC. Moon doesn't actually run it, and probably has less influence over it than Mexican billionaire Carlos Slim does over the NY Times. You didn't cite anything wrong in the article and probably didn't read it. You also could have read about the widespread criticism in countless other sources:
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2019-08-13/ethnic-studies-curriculum-fall-short-state-board-leaders-say
https://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/lifestyle-buzz/is-ca-e2-80-99s-ethnic-studies-plan-too-politically-correct-even-for-ca/ar-AAFI2vb
https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/opinion/story/2019-07-31/california-ethnic-studies-high-school-requirement-commentary
Your cowardly avoidance is too transparent. Instead of the lazy ad hominem diversion at least pretend to address substance by dressing your post up with a straw man argument or two or some outright lies as you often do. Just to finish crushing you, here's a quote from the curriculum:
"For example, the writers said that ethnic studies should “critique empire and its relationship to white supremacy, racism, patriarchy, cisheteropatriarchy, capitalism, ableism, anthropocentrism, and other forms of power and oppression at the intersections of our society.”"
https://edsource.org/2019/criticism-of-draft-curriculum-for-ethnic-studies-in-california-intensifies/616355
And you denied there was any indoctrination involved, LOL. You're finished, you buffoon. You can go now.
"The Washington Times is easily the best quality paper in DC"
D0h! I rest my case.
I don't blame you. Your case has been soundly crushed.
sharelulz. Believing colleges teach "white people are evil, men are evil, America is evil, Christians are evil, cops are evil, US troops are evil" are the words of a raging right wing loon.
Proclaiming the propaganda arm of a right wing christian cult as the best quality paper in DC was just icing on the cake. I need say no more, you crushed yourself.
LOL! You're desperately trying to change the subject because you've been so thoroughly crushed. Don't dodge, coward. Explain how this state mandated ethnic studies curriculum isn't activist indoctrination:
"For example, the writers said that ethnic studies should “critique empire and its relationship to white supremacy, racism, patriarchy, cisheteropatriarchy, capitalism, ableism, anthropocentrism, and other forms of power and oppression at the intersections of our society.”"
https://edsource.org/2019/criticism-of-draft-curriculum-for-ethnic-studies-in-california-intensifies/616355
PS - No, that garbage is what raging left wing loons spew daily, from campuses to boards like this. Heck, a poster even lamented the "evil" imposed on the world by whites on this very thread, and you're suddenly pretending the political discourse of the past couple of decades hasn't happened? What a loser you are.
Sore loser!
shareAs for general current university indoctrination, "gay rights" and "racism against minorities" are somehow the biggest problems facing the country. Biological facts on gender should be ignored. Women are "oppressed". Intersectionality, socialism, white people are evil, men are evil, America is evil, Christians are evil, cops are evil, US troops are evil (big push to kick ROTC off campus), etc.. You can't win debates honestly so instead bypass them by silencing the opposition. Call their comments "hate speech", claim their positions have been pushed outside the "Overton Window", shout them down, throw pies or milkshakes at them, use more violent means if necessary (professors have even been busted attacking people as part of Antifa, like the infamous "bike lock" striker). Dumb down the curriculum so it's largely viewing history through a series of demographic boxes rather than honestly studying causal relationships between events through the timeline and drawing lessons from it that actually explain how the world works. Not much cultivation of independent, critical thinking anymore. Of course I'm mostly talking about the humanities (Marxists took over literature departments first even before the New Left movement began in the late 1950s, and spread from there), but this crap has infected universities in general, including the administrations, and is having ripple effects throughout society like this sorry display at the recent Democratic Socialist convention:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPLQNUVmq3o
Even Democrat comedians like Jerry Seinfeld have complained that campuses are so PC they don't want to do shows there anymore. Leftist terrorists like Bill Ayers and his wife went on to be professors for years. I haven’t checked but I’d confidently bet there are no right wing terrorists working as professors at US universities. There are very few right wingers at all allowed to work at universities. The split is roughly 95/5. The status quo is untenable.
The sad part is that I'm sure you're 100% convinced universities teach that gay rights and racism against minorities are the "biggest problems facing this country" and that "white people are evil" because that's what Tucker Carlson told you believe. You're a propaganda casualty who apes his talking points.
You're in desperate need of a college education so you can overcome your misinformed right wing indoctrination that has turned you into such a foaming mouthpiece of unhinged bile. You're not qualified to comment on what you haven't experienced firsthand.
While I have a long standing rule against giving out personal info online, and while I've learned more from independent study than I ever have in a class, I'm obviously college educated and have first hand experience with this stuff. The only one aping talking points is you. The indoctrination at universities is so pervasive and heavy handed that it's virtually impossible for someone to retain conservative/libertarian views without being a robust independent thinker.
I posted substance and specific examples. Your reply is so inane ("Tucker Carlson", lol?) that it only supports my argument. At least you're good for something.
You're a hilarious buffoon aping Sun Myung Moon's propaganda arm and Jerry Seinfeld to support your batshit 'argument', if you can even call it that, that colleges teach "white people are evil, men are evil, America is evil, Christians are evil, cops are evil, US troops are evil".
God you're such a foaming nutjob.
I'd point out that regurgitating right wing talking points from Tucker Carlson isn't really arguing, it's just advertising yourself as a propaganda casualty. But if you actually knew anything about this topic you'd be familiar with the most comprehensive study done on this issue conducted by NYU business prof Jonathan Haidt who did a deep dive into the root causes of the PC callout culture that exists on *some* college campuses. And no it's not as widespread as you seem to think, and it is NOT caused by the educational course curriculum you insane dolt. You've got a lot of catching up to do if you want to appear erudite on yet another subject you know only from the misinformation that Tucker Carlson and Sun Myung Moon fed you. So get crackin.
Jonathan Haidt: "The culture on many college campuses has become more ideologically uniform, compromising the ability of scholars to seek truth, and of students to learn from a broad range of thinkers." - The Coddling of the American Mind (book)
"Schools may be training students in thinking styles that will damage their careers and friendships, along with their mental health." - (Haidt's Atlantic article version)
"In that article we argued that many parents, K-12 teachers, professors, and university administrators have been unknowingly teaching a generation of students to engage in the mental habits commonly seen in people who suffer from anxiety and depression." - (book)
You suck at debating. This is happening on virtually every campus and is spreading from there to the world, as Haidt observes. I've enjoyed watching Haidt interviewed over the years (including on FNC, though I don't recall if he did "Tucker Carlson", lol) on morality and PC insanity. He's a Democrat ("I decided that I would switch my research...to political psychology in order to help the Democrats win more elections") who soft pedals or glosses over some key factors, but what's noteworthy is that the more he's looked at this topic the closer he gets to my views.
But this isn't just about the "call out culture". I listed numerous things, including leftist constructs like intersectionality and professor inspired activism, citing specific names, which overlap and dovetail with each other. You didn't substantively address any of that. You are an ape. Maybe that's why you like the word "aping" so much. You tried to ape Haidt while being too lazy to articulate his position. You lack the mental acuity to engage in an intellectual debate. You're a fraud and it's fun exposing you. Citing Haidt is like a repeat of you linking to the Wiki page that contradicted you on communism being a political system and citing a Mueller Report page you hadn't fully read that refuted your entire claim.
lulz. You clearly know nothing of Haidt's research to claim he observes it on "virtually every campus and is spreading from there to the world". You're such a titanic clown.
share“The three Great Untruths (of PC-style “coddling”) have flowered on many college campuses…and they now extend from the campus into the corporate world and the public square, including national politics. They are also spreading outward from American universities to universities throughout the English-speaking world. These Great Untruths are bad for everyone. Anyone who cares about young people, education, or democracy should be concerned about these trends.” - Haidt, The Coddling of the American Mind (book)
Have I mentioned how much you suck at debating? If you were familiar with Haidt's research you wouldn't have mentioned him. For the record the observation that this is happening on virtually every campus was mine. You have no counter argument to anything I've said. In fact you've had your ass handed to you on all three lines of discussion on this thread (as always).
PS - lulz.
LMAO! If you were actually familiar with Haidt's work instead of pretending, you'd be aware that his study on cancel culture found the problem specifically in west coast colleges and elite colleges in the northeast. It wasn't a problem on every campus you titanic buffoon.
It's hilarious you think I actually make the effort to debate you when all I do is point out the gaping fallacies and fiction in your arguments. You're the one scurrying to cherry pick quotes from Haidt to make it appear like you're familiar with him and so you don't appear like the giant liar that you are. Your gaslighting reply perfectly exemplifies your intellectual dishonesty and why you're not worth expending any effort to debate. Your words:
"This is happening on virtually every campus and is spreading from there to the world, as Haidt observes."
No, you're just empirically wrong. Haidt doesn't observe it on every college campus. If you were familiar with his study you'd know this. You even provide a quote that disproves your claim that Haidt "observes" this on "virtually every campus". Yet you gaslight and lie when cornered on the facts. So in desperation you try and say it was your observation, not Haidt, when you spelled out in the very previous post it was Haidt's observation.
PS - lulz. When you pwn yourself you prove you suck at debating.
LOL! You're such an absurd buffoon that you're still talking about Haidt after I quoted him extensively smashing your position.
You: "Jonathan Haidt who did a deep dive into the root causes of the PC callout culture that exists on *some* college campuses. And no it's not as widespread as you seem to think"
Haidt: “The three Great Untruths (of PC-style “coddling”) have flowered on many college campuses…and they now extend from the campus into the corporate world and the public square, including national politics. They are also spreading outward from American universities to universities throughout the English-speaking world. These Great Untruths are bad for everyone. Anyone who cares about young people, education, or democracy should be concerned about these trends.”
Not "widespread", lol? Haitd urgently warns it's spreading to campuses throughout the English speaking world and to the rest of society, threatening democracy itself. Elsewhere he talks about an entire generation being warped by this crap. I disproved your attempt to minimize the problem and exposed you as the lying halfwit you repeatedly show yourself to be.
Not only do you suck at debating, you suck at pedantry. You've had your ass thoroughly kicked on the central point and you just wasted a whole post trying to fixate on a minor side issue I had already corrected you on. I said that was my observation that the PC crap has permeated almost every campus, though Haidt thinks it's bad enough to threaten society generally. In that sentence I invoked Haidt due to the part about it spreading to other parts of the world. If you feel my sentence was inartful, you making a huge deal about it, especially on an irrelevant point, is rich considering you've produced such gems as:
You: "Grand jury material is separate from redactions"
You: "China is capitalist to the core"
And countless others. You've been owned again, as always, and you keep digging your own hole.
Certainly a complete waste of time. People burying themselves in debt for this garbage.
It’s time to hold big university accountable for the trillion dollar scam they’ve dropped on the American people.
Strange the Democrat answer is always communist price controls, endless investigations, hearings. And yet silence when it comes to the joke the University system has become.
It’s time to end the student loan program for good and force “higher education” to compete in the free market. Then we’d see tuition costs where they belong. A few grand a year. The professors will just have to pay for their own trips around the world to play scientist.
Some people have trouble accepting all the evil that white Europeans have done to the world. A class like this is very helpful.
shareSo you're saying you approve of classes teaching that a particular race has inflicted great "evil" on the world, lol? Hitler would agree with you. Very "helpful" indeed. I appreciate you coming along and unwittingly reinforcing our point about indoctrination.
For the record, if we were going to make sweeping racial judgments, something it's not fair to do for various reasons, an honest assessment that examines all races with a consistent standard would be extremely politically incorrect. Not only would it bring up great "evils" committed by non-white races, but when the seldom talked about "good" deeds and contributions by whites came up, it would become easy to argue that instead of whites owing reparations, on balance people would owe whites a debt of gratitude. (GASP!) (snowflakes would be passing out reading stuff like that)
"all the evil that white Europeans have done"
You're talking about Karl Marx, right?
You're talking about Karl Marx, right?