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Imagine the mainstream media's reaction IF...

posted 5 years ago by Wuchak (8075)
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...Trump secretly met with Putin, got $145 million and then sold him 20% of our uranium with the FBI's help?

FACTS:

- Russia donated over $145 million to the Clinton Foundation
- Hillary Clinton sold 20% America’s Uranium to Vladimir Putin

And Mueller has spent 2 years and $35 million of taxpayers' money investigating Donald Trump for colluding with Russia during the 2016 election?

For anyone who argues that the Russian donations and Uranium One deal have been investigated and supposedly debunked: Yeah, "investigated" by lying Dems, the corrupt FBI & DOJ, all under the corrupt Obama Administration. Remember: the Benghazi fiasco, Fast & Furious, Eric Holder's corresponding resignation and IRS targeting conservatives with Lois Lerner pleading the fifth were all covered-up under the Obama administration and given a pass by the Left-leaning mainstream media who are in the Dems' pockets.

[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

Wow, they let Putinbots register at MovieChat.org? Sad.

[–] Wuchak (8075) 5 years ago

Well, as my post points out from the actual facts, Hillary is the original Putinbot. And didn't Obama whisper to the Russian diplomat (when he thought his mic was off) "I'll have more flexibility after the elections" in March, 2012?

[–] eYeDEF (5050) 5 years ago

You're a liar, that's why you didn't cite your sources.

Facts require evidence to substantiate. You provided no evidence because your points are not facts.

[–] JoWilli (14971) 5 years ago

they will never investigate themselves because they know they are all guilty...

[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

For anyone that cares to read the actual facts, here it is:
https://www.politifact.com/facebook-fact-checks/statements/2018/dec/07/blog-posting/complex-tale-involving-hillary-clinton-uranium-rus/

Politifact.com gives this a rating of “Mostly False”. If you disregard anything that goes against your worldview as fake news, then the actual facts clearly won’t matter, but I’d like to think the majority of the world does put stock in such things.

As secretary of state, Clinton did serve on a government board that ultimately approved a transfer of uranium, but she wasn’t the deciding vote. And the Clinton Foundation did receive $145 million from parties involved in the transaction — but the dates of a large share of the donations and the deal don’t add up to suggest a quid pro quo.

The deal, however, was not Clinton’s to approve alone. The CFIUS panel also includes the attorney general and the secretaries of the Treasury, Defense, Commerce, Energy and Homeland Security, as well as the heads of the Office of the U.S. Trade Representative and the Office of Science and Technology Policy.

It is accurate that nine individuals related to the company donated to the Clinton Foundation but the bulk of the money —$131 million — came from (Canadian Frank) Giustra.

And Giustra said he sold off his entire stake in the company in 2007, three years before the Russia deal and about 18 months before Clinton became secretary of state..

[–] Wuchak (8075) 5 years ago

Politifact has a Liberal bias, my friend. It's been proven and here are the stats: https://bongino.com/yes-politifact-has-a-liberal-bias/

Want a prime example? Politifact initially rated Obama’s claim “if you like you healthcare plan, you can keep your healthcare plan” as “true.” They later had to eat humble pie and 'fess up that it was the “lie of the year.” After that royal screw-up, can you ever really trust them?

[–] yatzo376 (7440) 5 years ago

All I know is Trump lies more times s day than you wash your hands.
And that’s a FACT!
The guy should be sharing s jail cell with his patsy Micheal Cohen.

[–] Wuchak (8075) 5 years ago

Lies about what? What he ate for breakfast?

The doozies that negatively affected the country were by Bill, the incompetent Obama and crooked Hillary.

I could care less about his frank manner, which naturally turns some people off; Trump is thoroughly competent as president, delivers on his campaign promises and the proof is in the pudding on both home front and foreign.

[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

Like I said, if everything that opposes your worldview is fake news to you, then facts won’t matter at all.

[–] Wuchak (8075) 5 years ago

If everything that opposes your worldview is fake news to you, then actual facts won't matter at all.

Besides, I gave you concrete evidence that politifact is perfectly capable of spreading blatant doozies.

[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

Okay here are a couple facts for you:

Fact 1) Your OP isn't backed by any source. Do you have a link to a reputable news site that states Russia gave the Clinton Foundation $145 million or did you base this off of a meme? For real, provide the link. I'm guessing even Fox News hasn't peddled that one (aside from the possibility of pundits like Hannity, Carlson, or Ingram).

Fact 2) You didn't bother to try to rebut any of the info from the politifact article, you just dismiss it as fake by referencing a debatable article stating they have a liberal bias (note that even if true, a liberal bias doesn't indicate it tells lies, just that it looks at facts from a more liberal standpoint). If it's incorrect, tell us why and site the sources on which you're basing your rebuttal. Politifact is well sourced and the sources are linked throughout the articles.

[–] Wuchak (8075) 5 years ago

Here ya go: https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/03/clinton-russia-collusion-evidence/

Yes, I realize you're going to claim National Review leans right.

As far as your second "fact" goes, politifact supported and proclaimed as truth Obama's blatant lie to sell NObamacare to the American people. That tells us everything we need to know about the lengths they'll go to support Dems/Libs. They recanted only because they had to in order to maintain a modicum of credibility.

if everything that opposes your worldview is fake news to you, then facts won’t matter at all.

But what's the problem in modern America and Western Civilization in general? Certainly not Rightwing fascism, but rather Leftwing fascism and the privileges, violence & perversions thereof.

For instance, imagine if Trump was as incompetent as Obama during his tenure and had similar corruptions/scandals. The mainstream media gave Obama a pass, but they would've mercilessly slaughtered Trump. Now imagine if Obama had accomplished the many thing Trump has accomplished in a mere 2.5 years (booming economy and the corresponding record unemployment, wise trade deals, wise deregulating, effective foreign policy, etc.), they would be praising these accomplishments to no end.

Imagine the media/Lib outrage if Conservatives had a group even one quarter as bad as ANTIFA.

[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

I don't need to claim it leans right, it seems you know that already. But the article states:

Private interests that closed deals with Vladimir Putin and his agents — thanks to then–secretary of state Hillary Clinton’s public favors — gave the Clinton Foundation between $152 million and $173 million.

Please note that this is cleverly worded but doesn't say Russia gave The Clinton Foundation this money but rather private interests (i.e. Canadian Giustra) that closed deals with Russia did. This is significantly different than your OP which stated Russia gave these funds to The Clinton Foundation. It also doesn't provide any evidence that this was their "slush fund" as the article claims, but regardless of that, your OP is incorrect on this point. Your OP also ignores what's been well documented that Clinton was one member of a committee and not the deciding vote on the matter.

[–] Gd5150 (10988) 5 years ago

The facts we do know:

- the Clinton foundation received millions from Russia.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/yes-the-clintons-should-be-investigated/2017/11/19/d88bb652-cb15-11e7-b0cf-7689a9f2d84e_story.html

The Uranium One deal in 2010 handed Russia control of 20 percent of the U.S.'s uranium supply. Hillary Clinton served on the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States (CFIUS), which unanimously approved the partial sale of the Canadian mining company Uranium One to Russian nuclear giant Rosatom.

https://www.newsweek.com/russia-routed-millions-influence-clinton-uranium-deal-informant-tells-congress-801686

- There’s still zero evidence of Trump Russia Collusion - Mueller, DOJ, Senate Intel Committee

- Not a single vote was affected by Russian meddling - DOJ, Senate Intel Committee, Mueller.

“There is no serious person out there who would suggest that you could even rig America's elections, in part because they are so decentralized. There is no evidence that that has happened in the past, or that there are instances that that could happen this time," - President Obama Oct 2016

- Russia meddling was happening under President Obama for years before he made the above statement. He was either incompetent or covering it up.

- Democrat lemmings live in an emotion based fantasy world where logic and facts have no place

https://moviechat.org/bd0000082/Politics/5d3b64b54ebdcd7750ce8ee9/Imagine-the-mainstream-medias-reaction-IF?reply=5d3c93dd4ebdcd7750ce94fb

[–] yatzo376 (7440) 5 years ago

Apparently in Trumps world logic and FACTS don’t exist either.
The dunderhead lies multiple times daily.

https://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/false/

[–] Wuchak (8075) 5 years ago

As I noted above, politifact (absurdly) rated Obama's claim "If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor" as truth, lol, but later had no choice but to call it the "lie of the year." So politifact isn't exactly a reliable source.

[–] yatzo376 (7440) 5 years ago

Are his Tweets a reliable source? Lol 😂

[–] Wuchak (8075) 5 years ago

(1.) I didn't cite his tweets like you cited politifact; and (2.) yes, Trump's tweets are the most reliable source of what he said.

[–] yatzo376 (7440) 5 years ago

Good! Because those tweets will be haunting us forever.

[–] Gd5150 (10988) 3 years ago

Yep