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Rank the books and films in order of preference:


We could even make a point count (best book gets 7 pts, 'worst' gets 1) (8-1 for the films)

* BOOKS: What really matters most for this ranking IMO. I value the story here.

3. Prisoner of Azkaban (My first read!!)
4. Goblet of Fire (Second read!)
7. Deathly Hallows
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6. Half Blood Prince
5. Order of the Phoenix
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2. Chamber of Secrets
1. Philosopher's Stone
(I had already watched and therefore knew the plot of the first two upon reading, so it wasn't as exciting)


*FILMS: Since they are not as good as the books, I value the style and execution more than story itself which I already knew from the books.

2. Chamber of Secrets
1. Philosopher's Stone
(Now I admitt nostalgia plays a small part too, but they were EXCELLEBT films for kids, which I was at the time, and the only ones to capture the true magic of Hogwarts and the magical world IMO)
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7.1. Deathly Hallows Part I
(I felt Yates made Hogwarts look a little mediocre, but since this story doesn't take plece there it was actually quite good)
3. Prisoner of Azkaban
(A misshapp of great and stupid scenes which I didn't quite like at first. The new style and direction. However it is quite enjoyable if you can bare those silly scenes, plus has some of the very best and memorable moments
in all films, like the dementors ans patronus)
4. Goblet of Fire (Enjoyable)
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7.2. Deathly Hallows part II (It's merely a huge battle scene brawl with some good scenes aside from that. A bit of a dissapointing end to the films)
6. Half Blood Prince
5. Order of the Phoenix
(These three were not trash, but kind of plain and boring in style. Damn you Yates! haha ;) )


Just to make it clear. I loved all the books, some more than others, but loved all of them.
Unfortunatelly can't say the same for the films with their ever changing style. I would have liked it to stay with C. Colombus and John Williams until the end. Eventually the films would uave become darker alongside the plot no doubt.


How do you rank them? 




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For me the book ranking is:
7 (I love it so much, the end especially)
3
6
1
2
4
5 (too much angst. Could not relate)

I too do not care about the movies that much. I'd put them:

7 part 1
5 (I know lots of people really dislike this one but I really enjoy it. I think it captures some of the best parts of the book and some of the added material was very good. I love the possession scene)
3
1
2

7 part 2 (not really the fault of the movie that I didn't like it. It's just cause all the stuff I like the most about that part of the book is the dialogues, which would not make for very good cinema. The Gringot's part is prefect though. And there are many other scenes I like)
6 (this I think has somewhat the same problem, that the content is quite hard to film. Voldemorta past and all that. It also missed the opportunity to show things outside Harry's pov. Like the battle)
4 (really did not like this one. The way the other two schools were all girls and all boys. Everyone's ridiculous hair. The way the contests were changed to seem scarier. The graveyard scene. I know lots of people really like it but I was disappointed when I first saw it)

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Books:

Goblet of Fire, because we get to see Voldemort return. Also the book was a lot more fun and broke the formula we had seen 3 times over (Harry at home with Dursleys and his birthday sucks, Harry goes to Hogwarts and something strange happens on the trip, Harry plays some quidditch games, Harry solves the mystery and fixes the problem, Harry says goodbye to Hogwarts and goes home to the Dursleys again). We get to see more of the other 2 houses and how they interact with Gryffindor and Slytherin.

Order of the Phoenix, because we get a serious shift in tone and consequences are more dire. We also get to learn some key bits about why Voldemort is so keen on killing this one particular child, and we also learn a bit about the deeper magics involved.

Chamber of Secrets, because this is when it's revealed that Voldemort and Harry have a much deeper connection. Also, we learn that Voldemort is not just some villain-of-the-week, but is instead a much stronger character than previously imagined.

Prisoner of Azkaban, because we get more of a backstory about Harry's parents. Rather than Harry getting information about his family from people who barely knew them or from people who despised them, we are introduced to Lupin, Sirius, and Pettigrew. Also, Harry begins to really develop his abilities.

Half-Blood Prince, because we get a lot of answers to a lot of questions, especially questions about Voldemort

Philosopher's Stone, because it was a solid start and did a fantastic job of introducing us to many of the main concepts

Deathly Hallows. Not last because I dislike it, but because there has to be a last place in any ranking system. I wasn't happy with Voldemort in this one, either. Throughout the first 6 books, we are led to view him as a cold and calculating type of person, but in this book he is a Hitler caricature and it's a bit of a letdown. It was nice to see Harry, Ron and Hermione grow up a bit, but I had made a few death predictions that came true (I don't think anybody was surprised that Pettigrew or Lestrange were killed, but I had predicted that one of the Weasleys would bite it and my money was on either Molly or one of the twins), so parts of it felt a little formulaic. Voldemort seemed to solve all of his problems through killing and I find it hard to believe that he never had to deal with anybody trying to revolt in his ranks. There would've had to been at least one or 2 wizard/witches who would've thought, "I believe in Pureblood superiority, too, and I wouldn't be such a tyrant. I could kill him and take his place!" If he was calm, cool, and deliberate, then it'd be easier to see why his ideals and methods would have been so popular in the wizarding community. But to have his fire off death curses just because he was upset would have caused dissent.

Movies:

I'll judge the movies by how closely they followed the books. One of my major problems with the movies is that they never really spent time on the underlying mythology. There were no explanations for why a sacrifice of love would create a magical protection that was more powerful than any other kind of magic (which I felt was a core of the books, that all people, Muggle and Wizard, possess the most powerful magic of all, and the self-proclaimed greatest wizard of all time was unable to fathom it), and that upset me a lot. I felt that it wouldn't have added much more time and it would've given the movies more depth (thus enhancing their replay value).

1) Deathly Hallows, Part 1. I was very pleased with how closely this followed the book. It made me so happy, that I was looking forward to Part 2.

2) Philosopher's Stone. The shortest book was the easiest to adapt into a screenplay, which is why it followed the story so closely.

3) Chamber of Secrets. Again, the length of the book allowed for them to adapt this rather easily.

4) Prisoner of Azkaban. This is where they started to rush through a few things and the plot started to follow a more linear path. Each scene was just building off of the previous scene and it felt rushed. However, they were fairly faithful to the book, and aside from the use of the Time-Turner (which, in my opinion, violates Dumbledore's notion that there's no magic that can revive the dead), it was solid. Also, seeing Hermione punch Draco in the nose, twice, was fun.

5) Goblet of Fire. They really had to rush this one. Many scenes felt like they were just shoe-horned in to advance the plot. With the last 4 adaptations, they could have easily split each film into 2 parts and remained faithful to the source. You want to try and tell me that people will pay for 8 tickets, but not 11? Rushed character introductions, Dumbledore acting out of character (DIYUPUYORNAIMINAGOBLEHOFIRE!!!!), and changing who does what (like Neville giving Harry the gilly weed instead of Dobby) distracted me. The final duel was awesome, though, and I still get misty-eyed when Amos Diggory realizes that his son is dead. However, Dumbledore's barely muttered "Priori incantatum," which explained nothing to Harry or us, still irks me.

6) Order of the Phoenix (Hey, these movies are just going right in line for the most part, aren't they?). They dropped a lot in this movie. We don't really get a sense that some of the main actors are even acting anymore. Emma Watson huffs and puffs a lot and Daniel Radcliffe just seems like he's phoning it in. Rupert Grint actually does develop Ron a bit and Tom Felton seems to be putting effort into playing as Draco (less as a comic foil like he was in the previous movie, and more as a guy who can become extremely dangerous). The introduction of the members of the OotP seemed a bit rushed, too. For instance, Tonks' intro kind of bugs me, and it seems like they were more interested in showing us some special effects magic, rather than showing us a new character. But the biggest shame was Harry and Dumbledore after the battle in the Ministry. To me, that's the best part of the book and one of the best parts of the entire series. This is where we learn so much about Harry's place in the world, as well as how important he is to Dumbledore. We get to see Dumbledore as a flawed human who has failings and weaknesses and Harry has to wrap his head around the fact that he is going to have to come up with a way to defeat Voldemort, because it's not just something that the adults can fix. And all of that is just omitted from the movie. We don't get to see Harry's grief or rage explode in the headmaster's office or Dumbledore saying good-bye to Harry with tears in his eyes. We get pretty much nothing.

7) Half-Blood Prince. I'd rate this last, but that's reserved for DH:Part 2. Aside from a few cool memories about the young Tom Riddle (but not all of the memories that were in the book, which pissed me off), and Jim Broadbent's tear-jerking recollection of his fish that Lily had given him (which to me, was just brilliant), there's not much that can save this movie. The attack on the Burrow made me want to shut the movie off, and the omission of Dumbledore's funeral (and Fawkes' departure) was a missed opportunity.

8) Deathly Hallows: Part 2. For as much as the first part stayed faithful to the book, it's like this part went right off the rails. It's not like they were pressed for time. They could've cut out 7 minutes of the battle-fluff and given us more time in Kings Cross station, where Harry and Dumbledore could've had their conversation about the Hallows, Grindelwald, Voldemort and the nature of life, death, and love. Instead, we got to see a few extra minutes of Neville running from Voldemort's army as well as Neville giving his inspirational "Never give up! Never surrender!" speech. They could've cut out the whole final showdown between Harry and Voldemort and opted for the showdown that was in the book. Harry revealing to Voldemort just how screwed he was (and just didn't know it), the tense anticipation, the sunrise and the final confrontation in the Great Hall. Voldemort's body could have flown back and collapsed, and Harry could've repaired his wand (instead of breaking the unbeatable wand, which seemed stupid to me). It was a very disappointing end to what started out as a promising movie.

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Books:

Goblet of Fire. Minus what I feel is a slow beginning (I don't like reading about the World Cup game), I LOVE this book. The other schools, Harry & Ron's fight, the Tournament, Fake!Moody and introduction to the unforgivables, Sirius is still mostly sane and protective of Harry, The Yule Ball, and of course Voldemort's return, makes it my favorite.

Order of the Phoenix. I love this book, yet I don't read it often. It's dark and sad, but it's the most character driven of them all IMO. I love Harry's angst. We really get into his head and emotions in this one and they are not pretty; at the same time I had been waiting for him to have a breakdown after all of the crap he's been through and I got it. Even his use of crucio against Bellatrix comes from an organic place of hurt and I loved it! Sirius dying initially made me hate this book when I read it the first time, as I felt cheated that Harry & Sirius would never be able to have the relationship that they wanted. Also, Dumbledore pissed me off, but this book also made me take a huge interest in Dumbledore for the first time as well. It was nice to see that he was not perfect, and I was crying right along with him during the Lost Prophecy chapter.

Chamber of Secrets. I know most people write this one off, but I find it it fun. I love the polyjuice plot and the mystery surrounding the Chamber. It's not yet so dark and it connects to HBP very well.

Deathly Hallows. I love reading the Trio as adults, I love the hunt, the final battle, the story of the Hallows, and most of all, Dumbledore's back story. This is when I really fell in love with the character of Dumbledore. As I mentioned before, he became not so perfect in OotP, but DH really brought home just how morally ambiguous he really is. This book always makes me want to go back and re-read the series again.

Prisoner of Azkaban. I do love this book, and it's an amazing read the first time what with the reveal of Peter as Scabbers and all. And it's technically, the most well-written of them all, but it loses awe after you know the reveal so that's why it ranks lower on my list. I still enjoy the hell out of the MWPP back story though and the revelation that Sirius is not a bad guy. It fills my heart to know that Harry has someone out there so close to his parents that was willing to take him in.

Half-Blood Prince. I enjoy this book for the Harry & Dumbledore relationship, Harry & Slughorn interactions in potions' class, and Voldemort's past. I also love how much more confident Harry has become and that the WW at large is finally showing him the respect he deserves. I dislike the romantic hi-jinks though and find them lame. Again, I don't dislike this books, just in comparison to the others I don't like it as much.

Philosopher's Stone. Great intro. Will always have a warm place in my heart, and is great to re-read after you've read the series in full to see all of JKR's brilliant planning. Plants the seeds for the rest of the series with book 7 especially giving a lot of throwbacks, but more simple and less developed than the other books.

I love all of the books, and HP is one of the few canon sources in which, minus a few quibbles, I am perfectly satisfied with the material.

As for the movies:

I like DH part 2, and PoA and that's pretty much it. As stand alones, the Potter movies are not bad movies. But in comparison to their source material they are hard sells.

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Books:

1. Prisoner of Azkaban*
2. Order of the Phoenix **
3. Sorcerer's Stone
4. Half Blood Prince
5. Chamber of Secrets
6. The Deathly Hollows
7. The Goblet of Fire

* I was given Azkaban as a kid when it came out, and it was the first book in the HP series that I read... which meant it was slightly confusing as to what was going on, but I really enjoyed it.

** Phoenix was memorable because I went to the book selling party with my siblings and some friends. I also went to the party for Prince but it wasn't as fun.

Movies:

1. Sorcerer's Stone*
2. Prisoner of Azkaban
3. Chamber of Secrets
4. Order of the Phoenix**
5. Half Blood Prince***
6. The Deathly Hollows II
7. The Deathly Hollows I
8. The Goblet of Fire

* Stone was my favorite movie in the series because it encompassed all of the whimsy and adventure that I associated with HP universe. Although by Azkaban the director had changed (I hated the new Dumbledore), I felt Azkaban was decent. However, it had shifted directions from the earlier films.

** I liked Phoenix as a film. It was a marked change to a more darker Poterverse, which brought more adult themes to the series. However, this is where the whimsical nature just flies out the window. Also, I think this film had the most differences than the book - which I was not a fan of. But I preferred this film to the 4th one and the last three.

*** I must admit I was a pretty big fan of the books when I was a kid an then a young adult. However, by the time Prince came out I found that I had kind of lost the spark for the HP universe, so I didn't enjoy the last three films as much as the earlier ones. I still love the earlier ones though, especially the first 3.

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Books(All 10/10s)

Deathly Hallows
Goblet of Fire
Prisoner of Azkaban
The Half Blood Prince
Chamber of Secrets
Order of the Phoenix
The Philosopher's stone

Movies
Chamber of Secrets- 8/10
The Sorcerer's stone- 8/10
Deathly Hallows Part 1- 8/10
Goblet of Fire- 7/10
Deathly Hallows Part 2- 6/10
Prisoner of Azkaban- 6/10
The Half Blood Prince- 6/10
Order of the Phoenix- 6/10

A Cosmic Experience: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrStxwFA1MI

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OMG! I agree with pretty much everything, or almost everything you said, and especially the way you said it. The lack of depth and development of some important scenes and dialogues and the way they lazily changed or ommitted some scenes/plots for the sake of it, alongside characters being off character (Dumbledore and Voldemort IMO) and the way the franchise seemed to lose almost all the visual charm of Colombus' films, were the things that irked me too.

The moment you mention about Harry and Dumbledore in the latter's office after Sirius's death was a brilliant chapter in the books. Where is it? Their 're-encounter' at King's Cross in DH, Why so brief? Where's Harry punching Malfoy after that Qwidditch game and getting banned by Umbridge in what is likely one if Malfoy's finest evil kid moments? Where are the trio's debates about important matters like there were so many in the books? And a long etcetera.

And why OH WHY did Yates think Harry grabbing Voldemort and jumping off a cliff would be anything close to cool instead of ONE OF THE STUPIDEST THINGS I'VE EVER SEEN IN MY LIFE!!!???

That's it. I think I'm done ... for now.

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I guess I ranked OotP book lower on the list is just based on my experience reading it at the time, when I was younger and really enjoyed the mostly friendly day to day of the books and the way it usually took me to a happy place. Since the day to day in this one was darker I didn't enjoy it as much ... it did however feel like a quality book and had me hooked and with my heart pumping due to its tension on many occasions though. As I said before, I love all of them. I would like to read it again now with a more adult mindset as it is dark intricate and emotionally complex as no other, perhaps.

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So, as I said in the OP, I have counted the points we have somehow given. And I am a little surprised to see that my favorites also seem to be the general favorites so far.

BOOKS: (Out of 6 votings) (Max: 7 pts - Min: 1)

1. Prisoner of Azkaban: 32 Points
2. Goblet of Fire: 29
3. Deathly Hallows: 26
4. Order of the Phoenix: 24
5. Half Blood Prince: 22
6. Chamber of Secrets: 21
7. Philosopher's Stone: 14

(Only books 3, 4, and 7, have been people's favorites so far. Twice each)


FILMS: (Out of 5 votings. Max 8pts - Min 1)

1. Philosopher's Stone: 34 Points
2. Chamber of Secrets: 32
3. Deathly Hallows Part I: 30
4. Prisoner of Azkaban: 26
5. Order of the Phoenix: 17
6. Goblet of Fire: 15
7. Deathly Hallows Part II: 14
8. Half Blood Prince: 12

(Only films 1, 2, and 7.1, have been people's favorites so far)

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