Nazgul, fell beast and Frodo


Jackson adding in the scene of Frodo facing the Nazgul off the battlements was a mistake.

The Nazgul know hobbits are sought out as a priority. One arrow chases him and his creature away.

One arrow chases off this deathless slave of darkness. This immortal wraith hell-bent on acquiring the ring merely flees into the Stygian gloom.

Now here is the part where you’ll say “but they are blind in the books”

Well go through the movie where they know fine well enough to use their swords, or navigate treacherous woodland at speed.

Admit it. It doesn’t add up

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Jackson changed up that whole Faramir / Frodo interlude. Faramir wasn't tempted (except maybe for a split second) and the point was to show the contrast between himself and Boromir. Still, these movies were awesome. Especially the first one.

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Yeah, good movies, I only have minor gripes which you’d likely get with any epic.

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A sad failure of imagination on Jackson's part, as he openly said that he didn't believe someone could be as decent and noble as Faramir. Maybe not in a modern novel: but LotR is properly a Romance, of the Medieval kind, and that's different kind of storytelling. If he only had been faithful to the original scene, it would indeed have powerfully pointed up the contrast between Faramir & Boromir—the latter an essentially good man, as he proved with his redeeming death, but lacking that spiritual aspect of the old Numenoreans, which Faramir did possess, reminding Sam of Gandalf.

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Faramir in the book and the movie are two completely different characters, he's just a douche who keeps having to be saved in the movie. Jackson doesn't respect the source material at all.

Honestly I don't watch this movie anymore if I want to have a Middle Earth marathon I'll just read the books.

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The interpretation of the Nazgul by Jackson and his writers is highly inconsistent.

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Yup, the whole stuff with Faramir was a misstep on Jackson's part. It's a rare flaw, but the films do have a few of those. They often (always?) spring up when Jackson & Co. depart from the books (this was amplified x1000 in the Hobbit films).

Great films overall, though.

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LOTR overall were great. The Hobbit trilogy went off the rails. I don’t know if it was the influence of all the superhero movies, but the story was changed too much.

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It was clear Jackson didn't want to go back to Middle Earth. He was producing, but he'd left the director's chair - and in the excellent hands of Guillermo Del Toro! But then development hell set in and Del Toro dropped and his producing partners pushed him until he signed back on.

So, the best theory I can come up with is that he really didn't want to be there and took short-cuts. He didn't delve in as deep as he should have. He didn't meticulously, obsessively map out every inch of the battle scenes, so the stakes feel lower and the action isn't as compelling. Compare Helm's Deep to the Battle of Five Armies. Which one advances character and tells a story through action and which one uses characters to tell a story about action? He also didn't want to deal with hundreds of extras, so they all get to be CGI now!

The rest of the problems were largely writing and, by extension, tonal. They clearly wanted to make it more kid-friendly yet they wanted it to blend nicely with the Lord of the Rings films. So there's a weird tone set where they have bird-poop crazy wizard man Radagast the White-and-Brown with his frickin' rabbit sled, but he encounters soul-stealing wraiths. Or they have a dancing, singing goblin chief, a funny fat dwarf, and yet they find time to make Gollum sinister and creeeepy.

The writing also tried to transition to the films by extending Legolas' cameo into a ridiculous subplot that made no sense. My least favourite addition was the elf warrior Tauriel who just...what the **** was that!? A subtle alteration that I despised was the alteration of the lines at the end about fates and prophecies into lines about Rings and "coming next week on Middle Earth...!" It spat in the face of the themes Tolkien developed all so they could tie the movies in.

All of this loopiness made them lose sight of the main focus: Bilbo.

And all of that stems from the fact that Jackson was just throwing elements together quickly because he couldn't be arsed to try hard.

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You have given this a lot of thought. I was expecting so much better, after LOTR.

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I've chatted with people about it before and read articles and stuff, yeah.

Lord of the Rings set the bar REALLY high, yeah. Had they been released in reverse order The Hobbit might have been better received.

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