Waterfront scene


LOVE this movie !!! And since I'll be going to NY next month I'm planning on finding the Central Park rock, I think I know..... AND I would really like to know where the Waterfront scenes were done. Is it a real place ? And if so, where ???
Thanks in advance. By the way, GREAT board this is, with so much info and feedback from everyone, an enormous THANKS from Lex in Amsterdam.

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The waterfront scenes were shot on the upper east side. If I could travel into the city I probably could find the place, must be off Riverside Drive somewhere.

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I'm planning on taking some stills from the dvd and show them around, it may help. I've got a hunch, looking at the NY maps, that there's a certain curve in the cast iron at the waterfrontscene, so it might be at E92nd ?! We'll see.

At anyrate, we'll be taking pictures and if I find anything, I'll post a link here.

Once again, thank you very much Elizabeth for posting here, and helping us out this way ! It's really appreciated !



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I love film locations and have been very interested in the topic of Henry Orient film locations for some years. By the way I live in NYC.

The park by the east river where the papers get blown around and the 2 girls have their first big conversation in the film- I think but am not sure that this is at east 72nd street, 1 block east of 1st avenue. There are some black buildings at the river end of this street that look a lot like in the film. The park overlooks the east river and then Roosevelt Island and you can get an idea in the film of where the girls are in relation to this island, which runs parallel to about e. 96th st. down to about e. 50th st. in manhattan. They are visibly well down river of the uptown (northern) tip of roos isl in the film. If I'm correct about 72nd st., the park now looks very different from in the film, unfortunately. By the way there is an episode available commercially on dvd using seemingly the same park in the 60's tv series the naked city, an episode with james coburn, where they verbally give an avenue address very close to 72nd street, which first made me think this was around where the park was. By the way this is apparently right around where the most recent Bourne film with matt damon has its climax ("415 e. 71st street" and diving into the east river).

A really useful tool for finding and comparing the locations to the film, is a portable dvd player with its own screen which you can buy on ebay for about $50 to $70 inc. shipping. If you bring the dvd and play it "in the field", even in case 72nd st is not right, you can look what part of roos island is visible across the river compared to the film and know how far away the park is from 72nd street roughly.

The film begins by looking at the U.N., from around 48th st and 1st ave, I think the school bus goes west to 3rd avenue and then goes uptown. One of the places I recognize on its trip is 72nd st + 3rd ave.

Henry Orient's address as verbally given in the film, I think is actually where it was shot, I went and looked a few years ago. If I'm right, his bldng is still there but looks somewhat different, and there is not a big staircase across the street anymore where the girls sat. When all the cop cars come, the camera looks west toward lexington avenue i think.

The restaurant where Henry meets angela lansbury (unless I'm mixing it up with the paula prentiss restaurant)- anyway, one of the restaurant scenes, henry is outside it with a woman and you can see (I only know this cause someone told me) the women's house of detention (prison), a big brick building down the street in the shot, torn down in the late 60's?, which means camera is looking toward 6th avenue and about 8th street (where the prison was, just north of the still-standing jefferson market public library, think it's an empty lot now). I think camera is looking west in that shot, but am not sure. So the restaurant is slightly east of 6th ave or slightly west of it.

Have also wondered about the rock in central park. Cant help much there but it's by the lake in central park, isnt it?, it would take about an hour or 90 minutes to walk around that lake and to look hard. By the way, the scene where it's snowing and Val goes into the park, she's entering it on central park west, possibly in the 60's or 70's.

I havent seen the whole movie for some years. In the beginning they go to one of the girls' homes. That is in the west village, on barrow street?, there is a book that gives the exact address, the movie lovers guide to new york city, which is out of print but can buy on the internet second hand or maybe it's scanned into google books or something. This is walkable from the restaurant location above (about 10 minutes away).

When the film was shown at walter reade thtr in nyc about 3 or 4 yrs ago, merrie spaeth was there and i asked her if the scenes where the girls are making a huge spectacle of themselves at night and pretending 1 of them is very sick, was shot on location or not- she assured me it was. So this should probably be near Henrys apt. By the way even tho Merrie was partly in charge of the swift boat-anti-Kerry stuff and is a top republican p.r. strategist, she seemed like an incredibly and genuinely nice person. In the movie, she seems like the absolute epitome of squirrely, passionately liberal women I knew at sarah lawrence college.

Of course there is Carnegie Hall for his concert, including the inside of it.

One of the places where the girls are jumping in the air in slo mo is in washington square park by the arch there.

If I think of anything else that ccould be helpful or if there is a question, I will post again.

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Thank you for your extremely kind comments, filmson.

I would also be gratified to read any location comments by Elizabeth, and by the way I'm sorry many of mine have "I think/I'm not sure" in them.

I asked Merrie at that screening about that riverside park's location and she furrowed her brows in concentration, she really wanted to help, and she said (not unlike what Elizabeth has posted) "Oh, if I could just go there, I'm sure I could find it, but I'm not sure what the street number was to tell you". Actually I think she said that was true about the film's locations in general and that she remembered them visually, and filming on them, very vividly.

By the way, the screening also had Nora Johnson speak, who wrote the novel (I guess we were pretty lucky! great widescreen print too), 1 thing she said was that the girl who she based Val on (I guess she based Gil on herself) does not like to be identified with the novel and film (maybe she's shy or embarassed?) so Nora doesnt say her name, but they exchanged at least one letter or phone call in the last few years. I think she lives on a farm or in the country.

Nora also said that she wrote the first draft of the screenplay and showed it to her father (the famous Nunnaly Johnson, who scripted The Grapes of Wrath and is co-credited with the Orient screenplay with Nora and credited with the book of the musical), and it was so unfilmable (and more faithful to the novel than the film wound up) that he wrote his own very different script basically by himself, which is what was filmed (tho the script was, I think, intended to be co-written by them from the start). She said that when she first saw the film, the parts that were based on her novel and on her real life about the 2 girls following the pianist seemed so different, like oil and water, from the parts that were written by her dad for the film like Henry's affairs, stuff with the adult characters, and maybe all the cops blaring over to Henry's apartment. But that with the passage of years and I guess having lived with the film, the 2 distinct parts of the film seem to her to blend much more naturally now.

By the way, I should have said about the park that it is east of york avenue (which is one avenue east of first avenue), not east of 1st avenue. I have walked up and down a lot looking for it- it can be kind of tiring to walk from york ave to the river and back on multiple streets in a row.

I didnt say this before for fear of info overload- but just in case 72nd street is not where park is (i hope it's the one), it could be useful to go to roosevelt island by aerial tramway or subway and use binoculars to see which streets between approx. 70th and 90th have parks on the east river with iron bars directly overlooking the river (there aren't many).

Waaay off-topic- the park/playground location I always so wanted to see (besides the one above) was the playground in West Side Story, especially the alleyway therein where they sing the Jet Song. It is said by some to be on 110th Street between 2nd + 3rd aves, but that playground is so different from the film that if it's the same one, it's a little disappointing. Sometime i have to go with photos from the film or a portable dvd player and compare.

One other thing- if the people who wrote they are coming to New York want an interested companion, I would love to see some of the locations with them- I dont mean to be rude and invite myself. I would post my email here but just in case that could get this post yanked, I could post it in the future.

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Ditto! Thanks so much for your informative comments bbcmacbear!!

I fell in love with this movie the first time I saw it (just a few years ago) and have often thought I might like to visit some of the locations shown in the movie. Your comments were most helpful and greatly appreciated.

I live in upstate NY so it isn't that far away...

Gratefully,
A World of Henry Orient Fan

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Thanks! 2 more tiny things- I believe when I asked Ms. Spaeth about scenes shot on location, she affirmed that the scene on the stoop opposite Henry's apartment where they stake him out, was shot on location. Also, where they are leapfrogging in slow motion, a lot of that is in the west village not far from where the girl's west village house is (by the way it was just called greenwich village at the time, until part of the lower east side was renamed the East Village by realtors, after that you also had the term,the west village).

By the way- it's nice that seemingly, all the outdoor nyc scenes WERE shot on location- in Breakfast at Tiffanys, shot only 3 yrs earlier, in addition to a lot of great location scenes there are some that look so fake, like when gp + ah go into a toy store and buy masks, and the inside of the enormous new york public library where she rebuffs him in a tiny reading room unlike anything in that research library, and the alley in the last scene (sorry folks!)Hepburn and Peppard in the film live not too far from Henry Orient, on 71st street west of 3rd ave.

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Henry's apartment was on east 64th Street, and the village scenes were done on westish 8th Street. Of course I've no idea how they look now. One of my real school friends lived on 64th Street, so I got to see it alot for some years but not in well maybe 30 or so now, hhhhh.

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No, the stoop we sat on was definitely a studio creation, I remember the prop guy, a great guy with a funny name, very sweet and creative, ran through the set for our reaction shot to the arriving police cars after I scratched my head clanging garbage can lids together and dropping them loudly, all indoors, so strange to have to remember what real outside city air smelled like, etc.

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Cause my post got bumped far down the list...we did do alot of jumping over things outside in the village on west 8th street. And the stoop was both outside and then recreated in the studio. The scene where Val fakes collapsing we did inside, too. I was impressed with their believable cement and brownstone fronts. It was freaky to have it all smell of aerasol and paint. Studios might be better now but then they were a toxic nightmare, not that I was into complaining about that at all then, thank God.

So funny, I thought if you replied to something your post would appear next to it. So now I look really silly. But, so, once more for emphasis.

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72nd sounds right.

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Mcbear, the movie is running this weekend on TCM, at 4am eastern if you want to see it again.

In addition to Elizabeth's performance the location shooting was part of the charm of this movie for me as well...obviously I am not the only one. That scene where Elizabeth, having run away, walks in the snow by the iron fence was a poignant scene, though there was not a word spoken. The dark, wintery light, and the look on her face. Whatever she drew on for that character it worked. It was well over 30 years since I saw the movie, before buying the DVD, but I still remembered that snowy scene clearly. Winter, not a nice time of year for the homeless, who Elizabeth stands up for. But this is a good time of year to view the movie again, it is a fall, winter movie.

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Bravo, upland, I also like the "snow montage." If I'm not mistaken, one of the scenes in the montage appears to have been filmed in the mall of Central Park, perhaps best known for the scene in Kramer vs. Kramer when Ted Kramer teaches his son how to ride his bike. Can anyone confirm this for me?

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West Side Story was shot on and around W. 64th street. The playgrounds are long gone. The area is now the site of the Lincoln Center Performing Arts Complex.

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Thank you SO much for all you info bbcmacbear, and Elisabeth too of course.
And you were both right: 72nd Street it was.

Meaning, yes, I've been to NYC and back to Amsterdam last week, being sort of "under the weather", that's why I didn't announce anything here or make appointments I wouldn't be able to keep: I was sick half the time.
I'm very sorry if I seemed impolite to stay out of touch for so long.

Any way, feeling better now; I'm going through my photographs this afternoon/tonight, there are many, and hope to have a link up by tomorrow or the day after.

By the way, it was almost creepy when I saw a school bus driving up through 72nd Str. !!! But boy, has it changed, but so has to much of old NY. Yet it still remains my favorite city. Central Park just has Magic beaming from it's rocks !

Too bad I didn't get a chance to find any of the other locations, but, I might be back in NY next year hopefully.

In the meantime I've uploaded some pictures at:

http://henryorient72ndstrny.blogspot.com/

I hope there'll be something to enjoy, even though the quality is bad.
Please leave your comments etc.

See you there ( and here).
Bye !

Lex

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Hey Lex! I enjoyed your nifty photos of 72nd street! That is so funny that that schoolbus was driving around the curve just like in the film!

It'a also neat your photos expand to gigantic proportions when clicked on- handy for comparing with the film.

Are there some things when you are there that make it pretty sure that this is the same street from the movie?

Glad you made it to NY, and glad you feel better!

Andy

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Lexbax, just had a look at your site with the photos ... I haven't been there (yet)so appreciate you sharing these. There is a magic about NY even on film, which was captured at times in Henry Orient.

Elizabeth, and her fans, a belated best wishes in 2008.


Mike

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I am happy that I have a much better idea now of where this early scene takes place (where the papers blow into the river) and sorry that I messed up before. It looks like I was wrong in thinking it was 72nd street, so I apologize to lexbax and others for suggesting that. It looks like it was almost certainly 83rd street and the east river.

If you'd like to see a 360 degree view of this spot, please go to maps.google.com and in the box for entering addresses, type "610 e. 83rd street, new york, ny". when you bring up the photo you can hit 2 downward curvy arrows that turn the picture around 360 degrees. You can recognize some of the buildings. Depending how big your city or town is, you may be able to see your own street at this site too! Site may only cover U.S. addresses.

I'm kind of glad, cause 72nd street looked rather different and I was sorry the location from the film had changed that much!

by the way- if anyone with digital tv has "free movies on demand"- currently at least Time Warner Cable in NYC has World of H.O. under Turner Classic Movies for viewing on demand- it was very handy for comparing with the maps google pix- but if you have a video of the film that's just as good.

I'm sorry to lexbax again since you made a trip to 72nd street and took beautiful pictures.

Andy

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The early scene where the papers are blown away IS 83rd Street and the East River Drive. As a resident or Yorkville for the majority of my life I can verify this. Also my dad was a doorman in a building on East End Avenue so I know that area very well.

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My guess is that it is the promenade at Gracie Square, east of East End Avenue at 84th Street, just south of Carl Schurz Park.

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Gee. I would have loved to have gone to that screening. Funny they didn't try to contact me.

Yeah, lots of conservative people are nice, so nice they are finding it easy to destroy our world. Reagan was supposedly a wonderful host.

That Merrie was genuinely nice just freaks me out, though that says alot about you, Lexbax.

I should probably erase this, but its a testiment(sp?) to my true self, awful and devoted to the revolution of love.

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But what was Merrie Spaeth like as a teen/young woman in the '60s and early '70s, during the Vietnam/psychedelic/Burn-your-bra era? How did she feel about the war, the subculture, the music, the fashions, etc...? Was she a young Nixon supporter?

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Merrie was always a republican, even when young. And yes I think she was a Nixon supporter. Not sure what her musical tastes were, we didn't keep in touch really, only saw each other very occasionally. She and George Hill sang some of an opera one day during filming, according to the script guy, very well, too

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I got to go to the riverside park in the film's 1st dialogue scene, for the first time today! It was freezing cold and dark but there was an interesting talk at a philosophical society nearby with famous authors and I thought I'd kill 2 birds with 1 stone. So, it is definitely on East 83rd and the east river, east of east end avenue (how's that for a sentence with a lot of easts in it!) What surprised me most was that it is part of a long esplanade that a lot of people jog and walk their dogs on- it's part of an unbroken stretch of pavement for a mile either way, so it doesnt at all feel like a self-contained park, which I found slightly disappointing. But I loved getting to see it for the 1st time. It was freezing cold and dark at 5pm and I was with my mom, who was in the sourest mood imaginable to be dragged on this pilgrimage, especially since we thought it be right after york avenue and then it turned out there was east end ave. to walk past too. Sorry I have no pix to share.

Sometime in the spring or summer, maybe we Orient fans could make a tour of H.O. sights, and maybe Elizabeth could attend! Wouldnt that be fun? We could make a human chain perpendicular to the river to make it feel like an enclosed park. By the way, the gate on the left the camera shoots thru is still there. I think in the film there's an old house on the island opposite on the riverbank downriver, which is no longer there.

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The scene in the beginning of the film takes place outside of the Brearley School:

Brearley School
610 East 83rd Street, New York, NY

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=brearley+school&hl=en&prmd=imvns&biw=1661&bih=903&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=X&ei=wFNyUOyLEMWr0AG6v4CwCA&ved=0CAsQ_AUoAg

http://www.brearley.org/home/index.aspx

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In case it's any help to those who are trying to find filming locations, here's a useful link with location addresses and photos for the film:

http://onthesetofnewyork.com/theworldofhenryorient.html

I used to live on the west side of East End Ave. at 83rd St., and I'm almost positive that the scenes with the blowing papers were filmed just east of my apartment. I lived there in 1979 (when I worked in a large ad agency at 48th St. and Madison Ave.), but it hadn't really changed from the way it looked in the movie, and I'm sure it's still basically unchanged. My (ex-)wife and I used to walk down the esplanade there quite often.

After I got divorced, I eventually lived in three other Manhattan locations (upper west side, 86th St. between Columbus and Amsterdam; Murray Hill area, 33rd St. between 3rd. and Lexington Ave.; and lower east side, 26th between 1st. and 2nd., not far from Bellevue Hospital). This gave me the opportunity to really get to know the city, and so the various filming locations are familiar to me.

I was a 14-year-old boy when the film was released, so it's a bit nostalgic for me, even though I didn't actually see the film until many years later. After seeing the movie, I've always wished I could have lived there in Manhattan in 1964. (We did manage to visit to see the World's Fair and other sights, but that was only for a few days.)

Also, I just want to thank you, Ms. Walker, for such a wonderful performance that has created for me a lasting impression of the city and what it was like to be growing up there. This movie will always be one of my favorites. Best wishes to you.

It is better to be kind than to be clever or good looking. -- Derek

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Thanks for the link. I've always wondered where Gil's house was (it looks Midtown East to me, no farther north than the low 60s) and whether or not the interiors were shot on location or if they were sets.

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Thank you again FilmSon.

Famously, Oscar Levant was the pianist in the real life crush!

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