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Help Me Determine If It Was Filmed Vs. Video Taped:


Some times I just can't tell the difference between film and video tape. I know that VHS Video Tape just does not last, and every thing ends up very blurry. The last time I watched Welcome Back, Kotter I not iced that the opening segment seemed to have VERY blurry openings, perhaps recorded with bad video tape. This is unusual, be cause most opening credits and closing credits (at least of outdoor scenes) appear to be filmed.

Most of the time Video Tape has more colours but the picture quality is slightly foggy or cloudy (like cloudy water) and the lighting is usually overdone.

Most of the time the Film is PERFECT and the colors much more dull but much more realistic. The worse thing that could happen with Film is flickering as each frame might have a different exposure, "dust specks", and possibly vertical hold issues. (Vertical Hold issues are also common with Video Tape)

The opening to The Jeffersons (scenes outside while they are travelling to their new condo) might be on video tape?

The opening credits (all of them, the Zoo one especially) of Three's Company appears to be filmed, but so do some of the episodes of Three's Company. Other episodes have the overdone lighting that is common with Video Tape footage.

SOAP has its outdoor scenes filmed (I can even see the Dust Specks) with indoor scenes shot with Video Tape but with some weird camera lens. Using Film outdoors but Video Tape indoors is common for U.K. programmes.

Mary Tyler Moore, The Bob Newhart Show, Rhoda, Phyllis, are all filmed. But WKRP In Cincinatti, which was made by the SAME production company (MTM) was on Video Tape?!

The Secret World Of Alex Mack is filmed. All Star Treks were Filmed.

Just about any thing animated is filmed.

Stop Motion is filmed.

Most Dramas appear to be filmed.

However, the opening credits to Dallas appear to be Video Taped.

Mama's Family is probably Video Taped, and even to the point of the opening and closing credits (outdoor scenes) video taped!

What's Happening's credits (when they are walking outside) are they video taped? The quality is not good?

Mary Hartman Mary Hartman, while Video Taped, seems to have decent quality.

What about The Kids Of Degrassi Street? The lighting is very dull. Actually, I don't think they used ANY lighting. Is it Filmed, or is it Video Taped?

Curiosity Shop, a lost Chuck Jones programme (probably lost be cause of alleged copyright infringement) was colour and filmed with Kinescope.

Now to wrap this up, what about game shows? The very early game shows were black and white but they were filmed. I assume some of the Bill Cullen episodes of The Price Is Right were filmed AND in colour, but those episodes no longer exist. A game show Truth Or Consequences was color but filmed by Kinescope.

The rest of them are Video Taped?! But some of them I just can't tell the difference. The quality is very good even if it is Video Tape. The Joker's Wild (especially the 1980s version) and Now You See It (The 1970s version) and Press Your Luck don't look like they were video taped.

Can expert cinematography cause Video Tape to look like Film?!

Please help me understand how to tell the difference when some times they look very similar.

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I know; it's confusing, even more so because you're WATCHING film-based material ON TV, which doesn't show off film's true greatness, as projected on a cinema screen. HD and now Ultra-HD 4k are making great strides toward getting us there, but those older '70s shows you're talking about are only ever going to look as good as they did when originally aired if they were shot on the videotape formats of that day using the relatively crude camera imaging sensors and lenses of the time.

Watch the smoothness or strobiness of the MOTION. Film is 24 frames per second. Video is typically 30 frames per second, although nowadays HD video formats can also shoot in 24 frames per second. Also, listen for the announcer saying at the end of '70s videotaped sitcoms "( ) was VIDEOTAPED before a live studio audience". That'll tell you right there.

"Most of the time Video Tape has more colours..."

Not necessarily. Video tape, in the old NTSC TV system the U.S. used in the '70s anyway, resolved an image from three primary colors, red, green and blue. Film does the same thing, but film resolves color with much more DETAIL and DEPTH than the old videotape formats of the '70s. The issue gets more complicated when you consider that old '70s broadcast videotape formats, like the typical 2" quad reel-to-reel tapes used by the major networks at that time to record and archive their shows, were COMPOSITE videotape formats, i.e. the color and brightness portions of the image were COMBINED into one video signal. TVs and transmission technology simply weren't as good back then as they are today. During the '80s, COMPONENT videotape formats like Betacam were introduced, which provided much greater color fidelity, but nowhere near the color depth and detail of film. Add to that the Saticon tubes and relatively fuzzy lenses of the video cameras of that day compared to film, and you'll easily be able to spot video.

"...but the picture quality is slightly foggy or cloudy (like cloudy water) and the lighting is usually overdone."

That is true. Film has higher EXPOSURE LATTITUDE, can show greater CONTRAST, the difference between the whitest whites and the darkest blacks, than the old videotape formats used in the '70s.

I CAN tell you that:

The Jeffersons was shot on videotape.

Three's Company was shot on videotape (yes, including the opening credits where John Ritter as Jack Tripper falls off his bike on the beach while oogling a beautiful girl's ass; they added a reflector or 10k light on that shot to fill in the shadows created by the harsh sunlight, a film lighting technique, but it was still shot on videotape)

"Other episodes have the overdone lighting that is common with Video Tape footage."

That is true. Video, due to its narrow contrast range in the '70s, required completely flat lighting, with every shadow filled in, to appear properly lit. Those "videotaped before a live studio audience" soundstages were PACKED with a complete lighting GRID, a myriad of overhanging lights, filling in every crevace of that stage with perfectly even light.

I'd have to take a look at SOAP to see what you're talking about with regard to outdoor scenes being shot on film and indoor scenes being shot on videotape.

"Mary Tyler Moore, The Bob Newhart Show, Rhoda, Phyllis, are all filmed. But WKRP In Cincinatti, which was made by the SAME production company (MTM) was on Video Tape?!"

Yes, that's true! See? You're GOOD at spotting this!

"The Secret World Of Alex Mack is filmed. All Star Treks were Filmed.

Just about any thing animated is filmed.

Stop Motion is filmed.

Most Dramas appear to be filmed.

However, the opening credits to Dallas appear to be Video Taped."

All true, except for Dallas. The opening credits were filmed.

"Mama's Family is probably Video Taped, and even to the point of the opening and closing credits (outdoor scenes) video taped!"

All true.

"What's Happening's credits (when they are walking outside) are they video taped? The quality is not good?"

Yes.

"Mary Hartman Mary Hartman, while Video Taped, seems to have decent quality."

Probably due to a higher quality of camera and component video recording than other networks. I believe Mary Hartman, Mary Hartman was CBS. The "big three" networks, ABC, NBC and CBS of the '70s, probably used all different types of cameras and recording equipment.

"What about The Kids Of Degrassi Street? The lighting is very dull. Actually, I don't think they used ANY lighting. Is it Filmed, or is it Video Taped?"

I don't know; I'm not familiar with that show. Care to post a youtube link?

"Curiosity Shop, a lost Chuck Jones programme (probably lost be cause of alleged copyright infringement) was colour and filmed with Kinescope."

Sounds good to me. Chuck Jones was famous for animated shows like Bugs Bunny and Road Runner, which was animated on film.

"Now to wrap this up, what about game shows?"

They're videotaped.

"Can expert cinematography cause Video Tape to look like Film?!"

Yes. Especially nowadays. Today's videotaped shows, like The Voice and Dancing With the Stars, look absolutely incredible compared to videotaped shows from the '70s.

All in the Family and Maude were videotaped.

Cheers was filmed.

Seinfeld was filmed.

Friends was filmed.

Newer sitcoms like Two-and-a-Half Men, Big Bang Theory and Two Broke Girls, I BELIEVE were and are filmed, but with today's 24 frames-per-second camera and recording technology, it's quite possible that these shows were and are videotaped. For image quality, video IS getting that good. But these shows might still be shot on film for the purpose of long-term archival storage. Film lasts longer than videotape.

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Thanks!

As you requested, here are clips for you to watch. Please help me figure these out.

Here is one apparently color kinescope. Truth or Consequences. It even has a vertical hold issue Lol. and, see the Dust Specks? Are all "dull" color films kinescoped? I can think of Tabitha, and early 1970s anime (Gatchaman) as possible kinescopes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFcs-oM6WKI

Curiosity Shop. The colour quality is quite dull. Is it kinescoped? Help me confirm if it really is kinescoped.

Curiosity Shop, stop motion segment:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CiMcBxV7I-Y

Kids Of Degrassi Street. It reminds me of some older segments on Sesame Street (lol, both have "Street".) which BTW I think most of the other segments were video taped? Kids of Degrassi Street says "A Playing With Time Film" But It may or may not be filmed.

Kids Of Degrasi Street:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kJjePTtA_U

Theme Song Only, in slightly higher quality?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NR58USFuIWw

SOAP, pay attention to the outdoor scenes and the indoor scenes. They look weird. The opening theme has the same cinematography as the indoor scenes. The next outdoor scene of the hospital's exterior looks different from the indoor scenes. It looks surprisingly clear, like if it was filmed. The next outdoor scene is approximately at 07:23, exterior of the court house.

SOAP:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2-0_u4pWp4

Game Shows, I am wondering why they are high quality. Did they use the techniques you mentioned used in Three's Company, or CBS?

To Tell The Truth, 1990-1991, reminiscent of Jeopardy! complete with realistic lighting (and Alex Trebek)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHfsxMPD64M

Now You See It bonus round 1974, also with realistic lighting (although the neon smears if the camera moves)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFT2_jTmHpM

Press Your Luck, very realistic lighting:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0JyA1ktmAg

The Joker's Wild, also without overdone lighting:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEr_PCZD6I8

Blockbusters, and I'm going to have to stop LOL but the point is how are they able to dim the lighting during the prize round if they are video tape?!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvXvbA4YU8o

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If I may add and update a few things:

Film is 24 frames per second.
That's the prevailing standard, but hardly the only one. It's also the capture rate only. Movie theaters display at 48 or 72 Hz. Yes, that means there's no change for two or three flashes (not unlike how 120, 240 etc. Hz TV sets work), but that is the real display rate. If you were to watch a film at 24 Hz, it would be unpleasant, and people with photosensitive epilepsy would be having seizures at that rate.


Video is typically 30 frames per second...
Most TV standards use a field rate of 50 or 59.94 Hz (60 Hz for monochrome), and a frame rate of 25 or 29.97 Hz (30 Hz for monochrome). The exception in TV broadcasting is 720p, which has 50 or 59.94 frames per second available to it. Streaming video and some satellite broadcasts can be 1080p, but are still rare. No matter what, there's a new and different image every 1/50th to 1/60th of a second.


Video tape, in the old NTSC TV system the U.S. used in the '70s anyway, resolved an image from three primary colors, red, green and blue.
No, the tape did not do color processing. Various methods of encoding color information were used: Direct color (quadrature encoding, used by Quadruplex, Type B, Type C) being the best quality and most costly. Color-under (used by U-matic, Betamax, VHS and Hi-8) the cheapest and worst. So-called "component analog tape" formats (MII and Betacam) were not component in the traditional sense, and offered only nearly direct color quality in smaller packages, at lower initial prices, but were fussy and required constant maintenance.

videotape formats like Betacam were introduced, which provided much greater color fidelity
 See above. Direct color was king, easily meeting or exceeding NTSC standards. This myth that component is better quality than composite is completely false and misleading. The SMPTE Type C 1" helical scan viedotape format (introduced 1976) was king, but not because it offered any better color fidelity over properly maintained Quadruplex decks. "Quad" was the broadcast standard because, unlike helical scan formats, it put out a video signal that was stable enough to broadcast directly, without any time base correction. The microcomputer boom and the falling RAM prices that it brought made digital TBCs more cost effective by 1980, and the superior tape handling features of Type C (fast wind, slo-mo, still frame etc.), made Type C the gold standard well into the '90s.

When it comes to home recording, VHS HQ and S-video with pseudo-component cables that carried the baseband Y signal separately from the color-under signal was at best a kludge (comparable to "dub cables" for U-matic), and simply didn't compare to video standards used for television production. Betacam and MII made possible the first self-contained ENG camcorders, but wasn't ready for prime time ever. They were used for ENG and commercials in the '90s, and were quickly replaced with D-2, which used composite video encoding.


TVs and transmission technology simply weren't as good back then as they are today.
That's half true. TV transmission was always first class. It was the TV sets themselves that lagged behind. By 1990 or so, the average new TV set was able to resolve the full NTSC signal that it received, thanks to many improvements in components and manufacturing in the '80s.


Saticon tubes and relatively fuzzy lenses of the video cameras of that day compared to film
Straw man. The '70s was when the old image orthicon cameras made by RCA were giving way to the new vidicon cameras. But it was the Philips Plumbicon camera that was by far the most popular studio upgrade in the '70s. In the ENG and cable markets, Ikegami was the desired brand of compact video camera. (One chief engineer who I had the pleasure of working under was on the team that invented the "minicam" while working for NBC/RCA, but used Ikegami cameras.) In the late '80s Sony and its Saticon began to gain share, primarily in the lower end broadcast markets. By that time CCD sensors were ready for the commercial market, and the vacuum tube camera's days were numbered. I still maintain that you haven't really worked in TV broadcasting if you haven't registered a 3-tube camera. ;)

As for lenses, Canon and Fujinon lenses were hardly "fuzzy"! Most broadcast cameras were fitted with zoom lenses by then (supplanting the old turret system of prime lenses), which aren't as picky-purist "good" as prime lenses. But they were more than good enough for NTSC, PAL and SECAM broadcasting. Film school sophomores can argue the finer points of lens effects, but the average studio camera lens then was little different from the ones used today for HD and 4K broadcasting.


Video, due to its narrow contrast range in the '70s, required completely flat lighting
 The dynamic range of NTSC has always been from 7.5 to 100 IRE. That has never changed. Film snobs who behave in a willfully ignorant manner can succeed in failing at TV lighting, but that's their personal problem. Those who have learned how to use gamma to their advantage are doing quite well, be it in film transfer or stage lighting.


Stop Motion is filmed.
An arcane idea. Plenty of stop motion is done using still cameras. Some of the best stop motion work that I've seen was done with a not-video DSLR, edited in raw format at full resolution, and then downscaled to HD for release.


The "big three" networks, ABC, NBC and CBS of the '70s, probably used all different types of cameras and recording equipment.
Yes, NBC was owned by RCA, and so it had a monopoly relationship for certain equipment. There are still a fair number of RCA antennas on top of tall towers and buildings, broadcasting DTV just fine. CBS also OEMed some of its gear; I've seen the "Columbia Broadcasting System name and logo on rackmount gear in TV stations, though not even close to the range of gear that RCA made. Ampex and later Sony were the big names in broadcast VTRs, with their VPR and BVH lines, respectively. Sony broadcast machines always started with a "B".


Film lasts longer than videotape.
 Both have their own manners of degradation. Both have their own methods of restoration. Neither has magical properties, like everlasting life.


So why were filmed show open/closes "fuzzy"? Generational tape loss, of course. That and loss of oxide with use. Before nonlinear editing, TV shows were edited with real tape. Guess which tape never changed with new episodes? Yes, it's that simple.

How can you tell if the originating material on a videotape was shot on film / at 24 fps? If you have a deck with incremental frame advance, slowly turn the jog dial to advance through fields slowly. If the motion stops for two, then three, then back to two etc., it was kept at 24 fps at one time or another. That's no guarantee that it wasn't shot on video and kinescoped, or shot on film at rates other than 24, but it's a good rule of thumb.

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