True hydrogen fuel system

I don't want to rain on anyone's parade, but powering a vehicle with hydrogen released from a compound (e.g. water) through electrolysis isn't likely to be practical. You wouldn't be likely to be able to store enough electricity to produce the necessary hydrogen. And if you could, you'd be better off using the electricity to power electric motors to drive the car.

After all, you're better off with batteries feeding four motors powering each of the four wheels. They would be smaller, lighter and more convenient to package than a conventional, internal-combustion drivetrain which would require an engine, exhaust system, transmission+differential/transaxle and a fuel-tank.

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Thanks for your input...I'm not offended. We have new tech that makes hydrogen a very do-able option. You should check out our project on the funding website starting tomorrow (midnight tonite through midnight July 19th). This link won't be live till midnight, but enjoy it tomorrow:

http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/e-choice-zero-pollution-hydrogen-fuel-system/x/3375817

The added benefit is that our system will actually clean pollution from the atmosphere. I think you will be pleasantly surprised.

Jon

You're proposing to store electricity to electrolyze water then use the hydrogen released from that to power an internal combustion engine?


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No...Basically, we're going to harness the kinetic energy created by the vehicle's motion to power dual 110w generators for constant power to run the electrolysis system. The process is fully explained on the project profile. Look for my COM220 college thesis on the 2nd page in the attachments. We are replacing the battery system with quick charge/slow discharge case capacitors for truck system needs. I could write more, but it's already on the profile and I have a sore wrist tonight...lol.

Enjoy, Jon

So, either it is magic, or you are dumber than a sack full of rocks? Let me guess: you're studying journalism? Because journalists regularly display a complete lack of understanding of things like "conservation of energy" when some crackpot proposes putting a windmill on a car and using it to drive an electric motor or hydrogen generator..

No magic...only proven technology (examples of every component type are readily available on the internet). It is obvious to me that you haven't visited either the E-Choice project page on FaceBook, nor the funding website where the project is currently collecting funding. I may indeed own a sack of rocks, but I am smart enough to listen when a dual PhD chemical/electrical engineer tells me my theory is sound, and the system will work. We do not post exact details because we do not have a patent yet. I understand the "conservation of energy", my father was an electrical engineer, and he explained it in depth. Using the kinetic energy created by movement of the vehicle gives us the "arms length" we need...because the vehicle moves whether the engine is accelerating or decelerating. I could go on, but I believe I may have already surpassed your intelligence level...But thanks for your opinion.

OK, you don't have to reveal the details, but what is the magic that overcomes all the inefficiencies in harvesting KE, electrolysis, and the pesky laws of thermodynamics that make internal combustion engines so fundamentally inefficient?

And what's the magic behind "arm's length"? That truck is being pushed along by the engine. The only opportunities for collecting "free" energy is when you're braking, or in the unlikely instance that there's a hurricane force tailwind. And the not so minor gotcha about recovering that free energy is that to collect (say) 50 HP worth of braking energy, that's a 35 kW generator.

Storing that kind of energy presumably requires those just-around-the-corner supercapacitors. Perhaps the imaginary kind that EEStor patented but somehow haven't ever demonstrated in reality.

Then, the big question: why squander energy creating hydrogen to burn in an internal combustion engine, instead of just running an electric motor, which would be at least 3 times as efficient? That 35 kW generator would almost certainly be an EV traction motor, and electric motors can be better than 90% efficient. Turning electricity into hydrogen is less than 82% efficient and then burning it in an internal combustion engine wastes most of that energy as heat.

You mean the kinetic energy created when the vehicle is going downhill? Otherwise, the other kinetic energy is created by the engine pushing the car forward. Surely you're not proposing to "rob Peter to pay Paul"...



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