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Oh what a surprise it's full frontal male nudity again!


When is Hollywood going to drop these constant double standards and start to show female genitalia as well.

Please note , breasts are not genitalia!

There has not been one single Hollywood produced film in the last 5 years to show a Vulva.


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I can see a few problems with your suggestion.

First, supplementing superfluous male nudity with superfluous female nudity, for the sake of "equal time," is not progress in any area, as far as I can see.

Second, female nudity in general is already overdone and often gratuitous, usually to the detriment of female characters. The real challenge is to end the double standard of male actors getting better roles and women actors playing the male heroes' attractive sidekick. Working on any double standard regarding the showing of crotches is way down the list, in my view.

Third, the situations are different based on simple biology. A nude man seen from the front is automatically displaying his genitals, unless he takes the trouble to hide them. It's not the same with the female body. When a nude woman is seen from the front, only her pubic hair (if any) will be visible; the genitals barely visible, if at all. To show a woman's genitals clearly in a film would require a very deliberate, pre-planned, spread-leg camera shot, which, for one thing, would be awkward to include if the point were ordinary or casual nudity. A really clear view of the female genitals, therefore, would automatically come across as a pornographic display, which is not ideal, especially for those of us who would like female actors (and their characters) to be more respected apart from their sexual appeal.

If you simply mean that full frontal nudity should be used equally for both sexes, you may have a point; but you refer specifically to visible genitalia


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Well I have just a few observations......

First, supplementing superfluous male nudity with superfluous female nudity, for the sake of "equal time," is not progress in any area, as far as I can see.

It’s not that at all. It’s basically the double standards of showing a penis wherever possible and covering female genitalia in every respect in all Hollywood films. It really doesn't seem fair.


female nudity in general is already overdone and often gratuitous

Wrong! - Maybe 30 years ago but there are certainly none now. Torso for torso, bum for bum there is more male nudity and the fact that there is often male genital nudity with no female genital nudity which is often hiding behind a merkin. Remember breasts are not genitals and are legal in public in most states of the US and on most beaches in Europe.

the situations are different based on simple biology

Wrong! - please try to see Rosario Dawson in Trance , her vulva is in full view and she is standing naturally. Take a look at the UK channel 4 programme Naked Attraction and see an even spilt of genitalia where all can be seen equally with no funny standing positions or legs akimbo.

A really clear view of the female genitals, therefore, would automatically come across as a pornographic display

Wrong! - So why is a shaved man on display not pornographic, why cannot it just be natural?



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Helen Hunt was full frontal

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Possibly, although it may have been a patch?

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Women do not have to spread legs in movies. Some women have genitals partly visible even while standing. But they must be shaved to see anything. The reason why women wear merkin is that their genitalia are visible and it must be covered. We have a taboo in society when it comes to female genitalia and it will not change quickly. I do not understand why. Women's genitals are even prettier than the male one. BTW: Do not forget close ups which are used often when they show penis. Make a zoom on the female crotch. You will also see everything but they don't do it. For me, full nudity is when you see every part of the body. Men are displayed fully nude, women not. Simple. I hope that this will change in the future because it is unfair.

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Really?

I'm a 57 yr old woman.

All my life have been a frequent user of health clubs which oftentimes had shared locker rooms and shower rooms.

Now understand I'm not looking there, but I've never even glimpsed a woman's genitals when she's just standing around naked. And yeah, frequently they shave.

Maybe you're looking more closely than me

Sounds like you've zoomed a few female crotches - could be you're more of an expert than I am.

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A good example of this is Game of Thrones. The girls are often trimmed (though I don't think they shave much on Westeros). They don't shine a spotlight on the bush Hustler-style, but neither to the hide / obscure / murkin them. We see pretty much all of the ladies parts we're going to see with them just walking around, but you don't really see the peach parts.

Oddly enough, contrary to what the OP would have us think, we don't actually see a lot of penis in that show.

As for the whole "tits are not genitalia" thing, I suppose it's true that they're required for procreation, but it's all I needed to get good and <ahem> excited when I was a boy.

I find this whole "more explicit vaginal details!!" thread to be weird.

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Hey Goobs, long time, no see. Who did you want to see naked in this movie? Ann Dowd?

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The girls in this are kids and teenagers. Hollywood would never show that. Certainly not full frontal. We saw the youngest boys butt, but people are weird about young girls and nudity even more than they are about adult women.
It wasn't in the Sister of the Dad or his Mother-in-Laws characters to be open with nudity.
You have a point, but not with this movie.

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Your right , but my point was general and not specifically the females in this movie. My point was that this is yet another film with male genital nudity compared to none with female genital nudity

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I think that just as Christopher Walken has a dance scene contracted into every movie, so Vito has a nude scene. Still, why not ; he's got a nice three piece.

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Hold up!

Is someone taking notes on this?
If there's to be justice, present numbers!

Female frontal nudity=
Male frontal nudity=

It's like when we were kids, I'll show you mine if you show me yours. Isn't equality great?

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Get a medical book ... when is that relevant to the story unless it is a documentary about gynecology?

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You serious?

To show female genitalia would be to show her legs spread W-I-D-E

Now how often do we see that in day to day life?

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A film with superb juvenile performances and - up to a point - a thought-worthy story should linger in the mind for far longer than a flash of Viggo's bits.

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Yes it should, so why are people still fixated on a natural naked body which was on the screen for maybe 3 seconds, if that.

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AND totally flaccid.

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Dude! Haven't you seen Trance with Rosario Dawon? Second best full frontal in film history next after Eva Green in Dreamers, man!

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