I loved this movie, but the death from a falling nickle instantly bugged me. This is one of those myths that has long been debunked by many sources. Even through government testing, they've concluded that a bullet fired up an coming back down would most certainly not kill you, and those are considerably more aerodynamic. The key in the horse is possible I suppose, but none of those small irregular items would pierce a skull.
share"they've concluded that a bullet fired up an coming back down would most certainly not kill you" This is incorrect and people have in fact been killed this way. I remember seeing a story on the news where someone actually went to jail over killing someone accidentally.
The Science:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/startswithabang/2020/07/02/the-science-of-why-firing-your-gun-up-into-the-air-can-be-lethal/?sh=7d808e06ff65
An Article Where Someone Died:
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Bullet-falling-from-the-sky-kills-Houston-man-5989581.php
Even though I believe it was just a coin that hit the old man in the movie, I believe it hit his eye. We also do not know the force at which these objects were falling so that debunks your argument right there.
Nothing is debunked by what you posted. I can show you dozens of articles that claim a bullet will not kill you except in extremely unlikely circumstances, but that isn't the rule. If you searched, you definitely cherry picked articles. Mythbusters did an entire episode on it, and the government has done plenty of testing too. And, as I said, a bullet is an object intended to have aerodynamic properties. It will get a much higher terminal velocity. And the eye is irrelevant, because your skulls eye socket is bone, with a small hole. Also, the blood rain indicates the monster simply expels it's contents, it wasn't a powerwasher. If it had more force, a key would have been deeper than a half inch deep in the hourses flesh. The coin fell, and we know that a falling coin won't kill you.
shareThis is a funny argument because as you first stated "a bullet fired up an coming back down would most certainly not kill you" but then in your next post you say "a bullet will not kill you EXCEPT in extremely unlikely circumstances"
So which is it? A bullet will kill you or it won't?
Here are 3 more articles for you where a person died from a bullet. Is that sufficient or is that still cherry picking?
https://www.cbs46.com/story/27733112/dekalb-co-mother-recalls-how-her-son-4-was-killed-due-to-celebratory-gunfire/
https://abcnews.go.com/US/girl-dies-years-gunfire-home-robbed-hospital-vigil/story?id=18126328
https://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/post-tribune/ct-ptb-falling-bullet-death-st-0710-20170709-story.html
Seeing as the audience literally knows NOTHING about the creature I feel like your argument of whether a coin dropped by it would kill you or not is entirely pointless. The creature is supposed to be beyond human understanding. So claiming you know everything is pretty stupid in this instance
One link doesn't work, and one is a stray bullet, not a falling bullet. Additionally, a story of someone dying doesn't discuss the trajectory, which is extremely important when talking about items being dropped vs launched. A bullet can be said to "fall" despite having a significant horizontal trajectory, which greatly affects velocity. If you google the question, this is the very first thing that pops up. In fact, all of the first articles support my statement, so yeah, you are still cherry picking. Only silly people deal in absolutes, but it's the exception that PROVES the rule (the old saying exists for a reason). Knowing something about the creature is irrelevant to physics, sorry. It also is telling that you keep ignoring the fact that it was a nickle, and I referenced the bullet as the most extreme falling example, but that's not what we are talking about despite you clinging to it for some reason. Don't be contrary as a convenience.
https://www.google.com/search?q=will+a+bullet+shot+straight+up+kill+you&oq=will+a+bullet+fired+up&aqs=chrome.2.69i57j0i22i30l2j0i390.7741j1j9&client=ms-android-samsung-gs-rev1&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8
I don't even know what you're saying anymore
shareSure you do, but you're to small to admit you're wrong.
shareChipDouglas, I have read your posts and I have reached the conclusion that you are a very intelligent person. I am pretty sure you are correct, but I suggest you make a video where you shove a bullet up your ass and fart it vertically into the air to prove it.
shareWhat a convoluted bullshit response to avoid admitting you were wrong. You are wrong buddy, accept the L and move on.
I can show you dozens of articles that claim a bullet will not kill you except in extremely unlikely circumstances
"Only silly people deal in absolutes, but it's the exception that PROVES the rule (the old saying exists for a reason)."
Yes, the old saying exists for a reason, but not the reason you think. If the alleged rule is, "A bullet fired up and coming back down would most certainly not kill you," and someone is known to have been killed by a free-falling bullet, then that exception disproves the alleged rule, obviously.
Here's what that old saying actually means: Suppose there's a sign that says "No Parking On Sundays." That Sunday exception proves that there's a rule that allows you to park there on Mondays through Saturdays.
The idea that someone can be killed by a free-falling coin or bullet may be true under some incredibly unlikely, extraordinary circumstances, but by and large, it's a myth. I had an argument with a hunter safety course instructor who did a presentation in our classroom when I was in eighth grade (1988/1989) about that. He claimed that a bullet fired straight up into the air will always come back down just as fast as it left the muzzle.
I said, "So you're telling me that, say, a .220 Swift bullet, which has a muzzle velocity that's nearly four times the speed of sound, is going to fall at that same speed?"
He said, "Yes."
I said, "That's impossible. Have you ever heard of terminal velocity?"
He decided he just wanted to move on without admitting he was wrong, and there was no World Wide Web for me to quickly show him proof.
Looked like stuff was hitting the ground with a lot of force.
It must have been farting things out with a lot of pressure.
In this movie it was shooting things out enough to kill the guy. You saw it. There's really nothing to question. You saw it in this film.
Films are not real, fyi
Films are not real is not a good excuse for sloppy writing.
shareon the screen in my theater, it was very apparent items were slamming the ground with great force, like bullets, not just dropping. at least that is how it looked to me. I understood completely when the old guy doubled over, even though at that point I didn't know what was happening. not sure how it was badly written. it worked fine to me.
everyone is allowed to see things differently though.
Things falling at terminal velocity would be fast, and it would definitely hurt, not disagreeing. But it's why hail hirts, but is rarely dangerous, even when very large. In the movie the blood rain seemed to fall at a normal speed, as well as the items that were dropped from the people that were snatched at the roadside show. That led me to assume its just expelling them rather than projecting them. It could have been intentional, but if it wanted to kill them, why not just suck them up?
sharei dont know.
thats what happened in the film, so I take at that is what happened. :)
there's so much in movies.... we could spend the whole movie watching avengers silly CGI jump/punch fest saying, "pfffffff!!! Like THAT could ever happen!" they are just movies. we need to accept what happens in them. we saw it, that is what happened INSIDE THAT MOVIE.
Lol, you aren't wrong, but lazy tropes have always bugged me. I have really great headphones, but if there is a catastrophic event happening behind me, they aren't so good that I'd have no idea, yet Hollywood loves this gimmick. Cars exploding with a single shot fired at it, a cigarette thrown in a pool of gas and lighting it (it won't, fyi)....stuff like that has always irritated me.
sharehahaha yeah, car exploding in a 4x sized splosion, like it was balsawood and filled totally with gas...
still, more interesting to stare at, than the normal small hood fire it would be in real life.
I totally feel what you mean though, yeah
Great comment. Burk just wants people to agree with him otherwise he's angry.
I guess you need to see the movie again.
It did NOT pierce the skull, it went through the eye globe while he was watching up.
There is bone in the back of your eye socket like the rest of your skull. The is only a small hole for the optical nerve.
shareThere is but it is a lot thinner than the skull. And a lot easier to penetrate.
https://www.webmd.com/first-aid/what-to-know-orbital-socket-fracture
"Other parts of the eye socket — including the floor and areas around the nose — are paper thin and can break more easily."
https://www.health.harvard.edu/a_to_z/eye-socket-fracture-fracture-of-the-orbit-a-to-z
"Indirect orbital floor fracture ("blowout fracture") — This occurs when the bony rim of the eye remains intact, but the paper thin floor of the eye socket cracks or ruptures."
https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/neuroscience/ethmoid-bone
"The human ethmoid bone comprises two very delicate, hollow, blocks of bone"
"The ethmoid bone is exceedingly light and spongy. It is roughly the size and shape of an ice cube, but is only a fraction as heavy. It is located between the orbits, centered on the midline. It articulates with 13 bones: the frontal, sphenoid, nasals, maxillae, lacrimals, palatines, inferior nasal conchae, and vomer. The ethmoid is virtually never found as a unit because of its fragility."
At first that bothered me too but later in the movie it happens again and you can see that the items were thrown very fast from the alien, not just falling but spit out. So that way they could easily hurt anyone.
shareI actually don't remember that. I'll be buying this soon so I can rewatch. What scene was that? I remember the falling items after the sideshow, but they seemed to just flutter.
shareI saw it yesterday and there is a scene in the final act where several items are falling near them. I believe it is after the alien swallows a whole building. The items are hitting close to them very fast like they were thrown which would not be the case if they were just falling from gravity. Anyway, in my mind it is a safe assumption.
shareLike the fake horse, enough force to penetrate the windwhield.
shareA bullet fired straight in the air will have about the same velocity on its fall when it reaches the target on the ground as it did when it left the muzzle of the gun going up. That’s straight from conservation of energy in a gravitational field. Some of the energy might be lost to heat due to air drag, but not much.
shareAir drag is far from insignificant, and makes the difference in lethality. This has been tested in real world applications by our government and by Mythbusters. A falling bullet killing you is actually less likely than it just hurting you, as opposed to being shot. But bullets are a poor example anyway, because we are talking about terminal velocity on irregular shaped objects. When a bullet is fired, it is designed to minimize air resistance. Random falling objects aren't.
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I agree with the posters below - it wasn't dropped, it was "hurled" by Jean Jacket.
Could be it's a way for Jean Jacket to pick up a few incidental victims to eat.
Could be Jean Jacket needs to either suck things in or spit them out with equally great force.
I suppose JJ might choose to project it's waste, but when we saw the blood getting discarded , it seemed to just be coming down as rain would, not a power washer. And, depending on how high it was, it still contends with air resistance and ultimately will stablize at terminal velocity. I don't think the snack on incidental victims theory works at all though. Once they were dead, they wouldn't be looking at it, and it only seemed interested in people looking at it.
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