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The "Apocalypse Now" of superhero films


I was never interested in the Watchmen graphic novel by Alan Moore, even though I had a gift copy (that I eventually gave away). The fact that the story takes place in an alternative reality (in which Nixon is serving his fifth term and costumed vigilantism is illegal) turned me off, as did the peculiarities of the team members which, it turns out, Moore intended as satire. The movie, however, totally changed my perspective. It's an adult-oriented superhero flick with a convoluted plot, strong characters and total originality. The latter two score high marks with me any day.

- Rorschach (Jackie Earle Haley) stands out with his gravelly voice and rightwing ideology, although he's not very likable. He's impressive yet, at the same time, kind of pathetic. The character was based on Steve Ditko's The Question.

- The Comedian (Jeffrey Dean Morgan) exudes great charisma and is reminiscent of The Punisher if he were a jokester. Unfortunately, The Comedian is arrogant & hotheaded and has a weakness for the ladies, not to mention cold-blooded murder.

- Night Owl (Patrick Wilson) is another strong character, obviously based on Batman or Blue Beetle. Unlike the previous two, he's very likable. I always thought his costume looked really lame in the graphic novel but, as depicted in the film, it kicks axx.

- Dr. Manhattan (Greg Plitt), named for the Manhattan Project and based on Captain Atom with a dash of Mr. Fantastic, is an almost God-like being who can do pretty much anything. He's so detached from the human experience that he walks around totally nude and has no time for his woman, Silk Spectre II. He'd rather hang out on Mars -- literally!

- Silk Spectre II (Malin Akerman) stands out due to her alluring costume more than anything else, along with Akerman's drop-dead-gorgeous looks. The character was based on Phantom Lady and Black Canary. Silk can't handle Dr. Manhattan's increasing aloofness and consequently diverts to Night Owl for human warmth.

- Silk Spectre (Carla Gugino) is Silk Spectre II's mother and has a pretty significant part. Like her daughter, she's quite attractive, albeit in a different way.

- Ozzyosbourne, whoops, I mean Ozymandias (Matthew Goode) is the least developed character and loosely based on Charlton Comic's Thunderbolt. He's ultra-smart, ultra-quick and kinda foppish.

Another highlight is the hypnotic score by Tyler Bates mixed with a quality soundtrack (e.g. "The Sound of Silence," "All Along the Watchtower," etc.)

The film is long, dark, mature, dialogue-driven and convoluted, but the strong characters and originality win the day; no moronic "blockbuster" trash here. Not to mention Silk Spectre II and her mother are easy on the eyes. As far as superhero flicks go, there's really nothing else like "Watchmen." It's even more atypical than the X-Men and easily one of my favorite superhero flicks, maybe even the favorite.

There are three different cuts with three considerably different runtimes: Theatrical Cut: 162 minutes; Director's Cut: 186 minutes; The Ultimate Cut: 215 minutes.

I own both the Theatrical Cut and Director's Cut. Although the theatrical version is just fine, the DC is worthwhile for extended dialogue to existing scenes in the Theatrical Cut; the biggest addition is an attack on Night Owl's Mentor, Hollis Mason, at the hands of a thug gang and Night Owl's subsequent brutal revenge at a bar. Despite the convoluted plot, I had no problem following the story in the Theatrical Cut, even though I've never read the graphic novel. The filmmakers did an excellent job cutting out the fat in the theatrical version. So don't think you'll need to view the DC to understand the story; it's not necessary. My recommendation is to check out the theatrical version first and only view the DC if the Theatrical Cut left you wanting even more, which is what it did for me. Even so, I prefer the Theatrical Cut; it's leaner and just all-around better.

The Ultimate Cut interweaves the animated Black Freighter short into the story, which never interested me.

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If you're this psyched about the movie, I'd encourage you to consider finally reading the comic book and at least seeing what you think.

Watchmen is an incredible achievement on screen, and is one of the more unique and interesting superhero movies that has come out. I do wish studios would invest a bit more into creating offbeat stuff like this instead of Xeroxing the same formula over and over and over again.

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After seeing the movie and being blown away, I wanted to read the graphic novel but, alas, I gave away my gift copy. I'll get ahold of a copy sooner or later, no worries. I'll check at the library the next time I'm there.

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You should be able to track down a copy somewhere, yeah. It's not like it's an unknown, obscure indie comic.

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Aside from the terrible sex scene, it's a great movie.

I really hate the song Hallelujah by Leonard Cohen.

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nah

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You hate the song Hallelujah, or just when Cohen sings it? Because that is some beautiful poetry, man. It would really surprise me if somebody didn't like the song at all.

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Both. Sorry, but every time I hear his version or another trying to mimic it, I turn it off.

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Well, I'm surprised then. To each their own, of course, but I find it to be a truly lovely song, and I've enjoyed many different versions from Cohen to Buckley. The beauty in the lyrics - which mingle love and romance, the brokenness that we all experience, and the Divine - I find truly profound and artfully expressed. But, I guess if you don't like it, you don't like it.

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Exactly. Sometimes we just don't agree and it's all good because you can enjoy it while I move on. Best of luck.

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I remember watching it after it's release and I didn't care for the overly dramatized and operatic theme.
Too much unnecessary over the top nonsense that seemed too pretentious for a film that was trying to be serious.

It should have been a simple whodunit detective thriller without all the exaggerated theatrics.

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I kinda liked the artsiness....(and I don't usually like pretentious, artsy films). But it worked for me here. They needed to create a somewhat alternate reality, which at times even felt like a dream-world. As a straight crime caper, the (anti) heros would have looked pretty ridiculous....running around in those little outfits, playing it straight and fighting crime. They needed the dark undertones, vulnerability and flaws. And your aptly-stated "operatic" tone makes their world a bit larger than life--and darker, with higher consequences. The layers and moodiness of these characters were a nice alternative to the snarky, one-dimensional superheros of Marvel.

The Marvel movies are more enjoyable and fun....but Watchmen was a cool imersion into a different kind of world, almost like entering into a painting......or, a graphic novel....

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The layers and moodiness of these characters


That's one of the key things I appreciate: The flick's thick with mood.

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