Because of his hate for Scar he banishes his own kind for following him. And if they return the penalty is death. Instead of being the noble king who should believe in equality, like his father, he comes off like a tyrant. Not to mention overprotective father who won't let his daughter have any fun or freedom.
I prefer the Simba from the first movie.
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Yeah, well Zira's line of:
"Well done, Kovu... just like we always planned."
probably had something to do with it. Crazy she may have been, and psychotic with it, but that was one sweet line on her part, really opened up the Simba/Kovu divide.
I know he suffered childhood trauma, but that's no excuse.
shareSo they couldn't, you know, just have gone somewhere else? Simba may have exiled them, but if the Pridelanders hadn't been in favour of it he'd have had to back down, and if Zira hadn't been so driven by hate herself she could have led the Outlanders to somewhere better.
Don't just go blaming one factor when there's several.
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Does make it understandable though, and that, to me, is an important feature.
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Actually it kind of is, considering he's just been beaten half-to-death. No-one uses their best judgement at a time like that.
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Simba had just been mauled by Zira and the Outlanders, who'd verbally implicated Kovu in the plot, so precisely what was Simba supposed to think (regardless of the fact that it was Simba who'd put them in that situation himself)? Also, Kovu may not have known Scar personally, but he was raised by Zira, who was utterly in love with him.
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Yes, he should have done, but after being almost killed in the ambush he wasn't thinking straight, and Zira had (untruthfully, thought Simba wasn't to know) implicated Kovu in the plan to kill him. People don't think properly when they've just been beaten up.
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Yes he did, but he wasn't thinking straight at the time, which I find understandable after what just happened. Just as bad is that Kiara refuses to believe her father just because she likes Kovu.
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I hate when disney heroes are made parents. They become too bossy.
shareUnderstandably, since becoming king and a father. He now has full on responsibilities so of course he wouldn't act the same as he did in the original.
Don't be calling me no bitch! If I'm a bitch, then your mama is a bitch, BITCH!
Because of his hate for Scar he banishes his own kind for following him. And if they return the penalty is death. Instead of being the noble king who should believe in equality, like his father, he comes off like a tyrant. Not to mention overprotective father who won't let his daughter have any fun or freedom.
I prefer the Simba from the first movie.
you obviously don't understand how a monarchy works. also you don't understand how lion prides work. if an lion kills another alpha or defeats another alpha said lion kills all the children of the old alpha and takes all the females for his own. he also will banish or kill sympathisers for the old alpha
shareHonestly, for me keeping Simba a flawed character with even more room to grow is one of the film's most interesting features.
shareI have never understood why people make Simba out to be such an irresponsible and/or tyrannical character.
Simba loved the idea of being king- something so unbelievably rare for the typical Disney rebellous prince/princess formula they do to death- so no, he did not run away from his responsibilities. What he did was heed his uncle, the second most important male figure in his life, who told him to run off. Simba was only a child. Of course, he's going to listen to his uncle. Unlike the audience, he didn't know Scar's intentions.
It also bugs me that people imply just because Simba was eager to be king that he would have turned out like Scar had Mufasa lived..... what?! To me, Simba is a nicer guy than even Mufasa, who I love, was. When being chastised by his father, Simba shows genuine remorse for his actions at the graveyard, another Disney rarity, as they just love depicting parents as big meanies who won't let their child "follow their hearts". When Simba returns to Pride Rock, he is in his full right to kill Scar, even before the truth comes out because of Scar striking Sarabi. When Simba advances on Scar during this scene and right before their big fight scene, he simply orders Scar to leave and never return. Ultimately, Simba is a kind, gentle guy and his justifiable rage at Scar won't change that. As Simba said himself, he is NOT Scar.
Later, when he banishes the outsiders for following Scar, that was the smartest act of mercy he could take, as from a political standpoint it would have been better if he'd killed them to prevent a future uprise. But Simba chose to spare them, but he couldn't let loyal followers of Scar stay in the Pride Lands for blatant safety reasons. Later, Simba shows mercy again when he orders Zira to take Kovu and leave instead of penalizing them with a pound of flesh. Simba especially showed no desire to harm the little cub, Scar's heir or not. He is then shown scolding Kiara, but has a much softer approach than Mufasa. I love both Mufasa and SImba as fathers and I appreciate the subtle differences between them that show that Simba holds his father in high regard, but he still has his own way of doing things.
While I mostly like Kiara because her relationship with Simba is so endearing, she is an unfortunate return to the rebellious young monarch formula that reminds me too much of Ariel, who I have zero respect for. Biggest difference is that Kiara has some concept of the importance of family. But still, she doesn't seem to understand or appreciate the trauma her father endured at her age. She gets to have a happy, protected (so what if Simba is overprotective? He has EVERY reason to be after losing his last family) fun childhood. And despite nightmares and clear PTSD, Simba is a very good father to her. Between the two, I definitely appreciate cub Simba much more than Kiara, who has too many spoiled first-world teen vibes, but again, she's better than Ariel.
I know a lot of the backlash against Simba is due to Kovu being so popular. Look, I think he's a great character, too, likely due in large part to his most impressive voice actor. But keep in mind, that the outlanders set up a freaking fire that could have killed Kiara, complete with fake rescue by Kovu. Kovu wanted to infiltrate the Pride Lands and was more than ready to kill Simba at the watering hole before Kiara distracted him. Kovu ultimately only abandons the plot against Simba because he falls for Kiara in what came off as a little forced to me. Simba is completely right in his cautious attitude around Kovu and Nala comes off as too naive with how much she wants to trust him. When Simba does try to give Kovu a chance, he is ambushed by Zira who reveals their plot- again, something Kovu was willing to go along with only 24 hours ago. Despite being badly injured, Simba only exiles Kovu instead of inflicting harsher punishment on him. Kiara's whole, "you will never be Mufasa," was so bratty and mean-spirited.
Too much in this movie was contrived to paint Simba in a negative, prejudice light. I really like Timon and Pumbaa's roles, as they respect him as king and stay as loyal as ever to him.
I do love this film and re-watched it a hundred times in one day, but the treatment of Simba is ridiculous.
"Simba loved the idea of being king- something so unbelievably rare for the typical Disney rebellous prince/princess formula they do to death- so no, he did not run away from his responsibilities."
What attracted Simba to be a king, was that - in a true childlike way - he wanted to be king due to the false illusion of the fun of being in charge, like most children does. In that case Simba is pretty realistic and relatable. However, Simba's initial wish is to be a king, but it's pretty much thrown out of the way after Mufasa dies.
"To me, Simba is a nicer guy than even Mufasa, who I love, was."
I felt Mufasa was just as nice as a guy. And just.
"He is then shown scolding Kiara, but has a much softer approach than Mufasa."
He barely scolded Kiara when she disobeyed him as a cub, besides giving her a angry look. Whereas Mufasa was obviously furious and scolded Simba harder. However, he was harder on Kiara when she became an adult.
"While I mostly like Kiara because her relationship with Simba is so endearing, she is an unfortunate return to the rebellious young monarch formula that reminds me too much of Ariel, who I have zero respect for. Biggest difference is that Kiara has some concept of the importance of family. But still, she doesn't seem to understand or appreciate the trauma her father endured at her age. She gets to have a happy, protected (so what if Simba is overprotective? He has EVERY reason to be after losing his last family) fun childhood. And despite nightmares and clear PTSD, Simba is a very good father to her. Between the two, I definitely appreciate cub Simba much more than Kiara, who has too many spoiled first-world teen vibes, but again, she's better than Ariel."
It's interesting that you bring up the similarities between Ariel and Kiara, when the similarities are overt and obvious. However, I personally consider Kiara to be worse than Ariel (at least when she's an adult). She's endearing and likable as a cub, but becomes even more of a brat as an adult. And despite that I've criticized Ariel in the past, at least Kiara is even more reckless and rude. And the weirdest thing is how she trusts Kovu despite after (for all we know) having just one brief interaction with him priorly. The difference between them is that Kiara does have an more obvious and clearer arc than Ariel, who's hampered by the screenwriters faults to not let the character truly grow and take actions of her past.
Yeah Simba was a bit harsh in this! Mufasa wouldn't NEVER acted this way. The only time we see Mufasa go off was when the hyenas were chasing Simba and Nala and he had to save them by scaring the hyenas.
You know, it is really sad that Ariel always gets this kind of hatred.
It is clear that she's unhappy because her father can't understand her and even destroys her collection.
However, she helps out with defeating Ursula and becomes a good consort to Eric.
Also, it is telling that her last line in her first movie is about that she loves her father...
Kiara is mainly uninterested in becoming a queen as a little cub.
But later on when she's a young adult, she is the one to tell Kovu that they can't leave the pride.