...Whereas Mr. Carnes kills any man that refuses to marry his daughter after being interrogated to, yet he is a member of the high part of this society.
A reflection of the times? Any thoughts or discussions?
If you study the derivation of the word "surly" you'll find it was once spelled "sirly" with a more regal hint of domination.
Jud was being surly, whereas Carnes was being sirly. They both stink on ice. (If they can keep up the supply during the Oklahoma summer, that is!)
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I don't understand what you just said or what it has to do with my original post.
shareI don't understand what you just said or what it has to do with my original post.Actually, it just has to do with "surly" the adjective in your title that originally had a more high-class connotation. Thus, Fry and Carnes are contrasted.
You didn't say anything relevant. I could have used a different word, but I decided to use "surly." I didn't ask for any sort of useless etymology that didn't contribute to the thread I made.
shareI didn't ask for any sort of useless etymology that didn't contribute to the thread I made.Practice what you preach, please!
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That wasn't etymology. Now could you please read my original post again and respond with something a little more relevant. Or not respond at all.
You know, you're being just as annoyingly cryptic and passive-aggressive as that user on the Julia Roberts board. Are you taking a leaf out of her book? Things like this have been happening to me over and over again recently.
Things like this have been happening to me over and over again recently.Yes, and I see that you have a control problem. Lighten up!
"Yes, and I see that you have a control problem."
Okay. Alright. Exactly what is this control problem you speak of? I thought the idea of one may not be irrelevant, but I'm just wondering...if that's the case, then what of this control problem?
... if that's the case, then what of this control problem?I'm done! We can let a third party decide if they have the nerve to referee.
Um..
shareYou know what? Allow me to repeat everything. I just think it's weird that Mr. Carnes has probably killed a couple of people ruthlessly (not to mention that he's something of a jerk overall), and yet Jud is parochially hated just for being a sort of mean, baleful guy. And having a somewhat shady history. I was just wondering if anyone would comment. And I see you did, but...not the way I expected anyone to.
By the way, learn exactly what etymology is. The thing I did in the Julia Roberts board wasn't even close to etymology. It was a simple correction. That woman thought I made a typo when I didn't actually do so. Nothing to do with etymology whatsoever.
Basically, you're upset with me because I didn't provide the answer you were trolling for.
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Wow. You thought that was a troll post? No, sir, it was an honest topic open for discussion.
shareThere are multiple definitions for the word "troll." I can't explain which one I meant because you have banned etymology from YOUR thread.
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"you have banned etymology from YOUR thread."
Lol. Never mind the whole thing; I figured the topic I brought up was just a reflection of the setting of this musical. No discussions really need to be held.
Jud thinks of himself as an OK guy who is as worthy of the attentions of a girl like Laurie as Curly is. But he isn't just a nice guy who occasionally gets "surly". He is a loner who broods about perceived slights and allows them to fester into hatred.
shareThe only one who is trolling here is you.
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Agreed.
This film is morally disgusting, but few people notice it. Rodgers and Hammerstein must've hated loners with a passion.
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Jud Fry at different points in the film is 1. A Peeping Tom hoping to see more
of Laurie than he actually did, 2. Threatens her if if she cancels their "date" 3. Forces himself physically on Laurie while in the buggy, 4. Attempts to blind Curly with a booby trapped picture viewer, and 5. Attempts to murder him.
This is SURLY?!
The Little Wonder wasn't to blind him, it was to stab him in the heart. It had a knife blade that would pop out and Judd was going to slam it into his chest. So yes, he was plotting murder even before the fire.
Judd is more than just a loner. He's creepy and violent. Judd also relates a story about a farm hand who was obsessed with the daughter or the family that hired him and when she rejected him for another, he burnt them all alive. The implication of the scene is that Judd approved of it and that maybe that hired hand was Judd himself. The way his eyes shift around and the way Curly reacts to the story makes you think that Judd did it. Judd is NOT a character that deserves much sympathy.
Curly's no treat either, though. He spends a scene trying to encourage someone who is obviously upset to commit suicide. And he definitely takes a delight in insulting Judd while he does it.