Awesome Noir


I just saw this thanks to Netflix. It's a great movie, shockingly dark and tense as hell.

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Yes Netflix has been great for my habit, too.

I really enjoyed the additions to the DVD -- the Curtis Hanson commentary and the bit about restoring the film.

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I love this movie passionately, but I get annoyed when great films like this are lumped into that massive category of 'noir' which has come to be a totally meaningless term. If a film has a shadow, a gun, an icy female, or a crime in it, it's film noir. The people making these movies at the time didn't think of them as such, and we shouldn't either.

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i disagree, i think that this film is a product of its time and therefore a film noir. the term wasn't coined until the 1970's, so of course the people making film noirs at the time didn't think of them as such. its film noir-ish not just because of the shadows and the "icy female" but because it is a pessimistic outlook on married life, Hollywood life, and love in general. the male protagonist is one that we aren't sure if we like or not, which is also a characteristic of film noir. it was also a film commenting on the Hollywood politics of the time, as it criticizes its methods and morals, such as blacklisting of writers/directors/actors and the trash that was being put out at the time (the book Dix was adapting was trash and he knew it, thats why he didn't read it). there are many stylistic camera choices that Ray uses to portray all of issues, such as shadows, odd and uncomfortable angles and persectives, and a murder mystery that isn't put in the spotlight, for its not the true question in this film.

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I think this info is wrong. The term was coined in 1946 by French film critic Frank Nino after the release, for the first time in over 5 years, of a new batch of American films in Paris. The critics noticed the new style of dark, brooding photography and dubbed the style 'film noir.'

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Hey, brunchwithchampions, the term "film noir" was coined in the late 40's by a french critic, not in the '70's.


I killed him for money and for a woman. I didn't get the money... and I didn't get the woman.

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Well, pal, I bet you saw the greats when they first came out before they were even called film noit, like this one, Double Indemnity, and countless others.


"What's the most you ever lost in a coin toss?"

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brunchwithcampions hit the nail on the head about the cynical view of Hollywood, marriage and love, even though in my opinion I think if anything this is an anti-noir; yes, Gloria Grahame is cool and distant, but she is Dix's redemption, not his undoing (if anything, Dix is his own undoing). True, there is dark, shadowy lighting, but in the 1940s even Casablanca had high-contrast light, and it's definitely not a film noir. And yes, there is a murder that fuels the plot, but it's to get these two characters in each others' arms. At heart, the film is about love and paranoia and how our own distrust can shatter even the most optimistic romance.

And as I've stated before, this is Bogart's most heartbreaking and painfully true performance he ever gave; I'll even go as far to say that his win for The African Queen was a consolation for not being nominated for this movie. It's easy to admire his coolness but his willingness to portray such an ugly, flawed character is often overlooked, which is probably the bravest thing any actor can do. Despite the new heights he scaled when he portrayed Fred C. Dobbs in Treasure of the Sierra Madre, you don't have the same sense that he was playing an extension of himself as when he was Dix--and he truly *WAS* Dix Steele--and one can almost see the two halves becoming a whole, not unlike the famous kitchen scene of Bergman's Persona. Many biographers and even Bogart's actress friend Louise Brooks all concur that Dix was the closest Bogart every came to portraying himself. Bogart made some pretty good movies before he died in 1957, but this was the last masterpiece.

Did he train you? Did he rehearse you? Did he tell you *exactly* what to do, what to say?!

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Some people think film noir is a set of boxes, and every one of them has to be checked off by a movie or it's not film noir. It doesn't matter that the designation "film noir" came about after these movies were made, so their makers weren't using it at the time. That doesn't mean they're not film noir, and "In a Lonely Place" is clearly film noir, which is how we should think of it.

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Excellent film featuring one of Bogie's finest performances. Gloria Grahame was equally amazing. The script was brilliantly written and Nicholas Ray's direction no doubt captures the dark, intense, and hopelessness of not only Dix's career, but his life and relationships.

"Dry your eyes baby, it's out of character."

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THIS is the film Bogart should have an Oscar for - his best performance and Gloria Grahame was always great. One of N. Ray's best films.

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I agree. The fact that he played similar characters in a lot of his more famous roles (because, for one thing, he was insanely good at it) doesn't mean that he wasn't capable of playing complex, multidimensional characters. This movie, The Caine Mutiny, and Treasure of the Sierra Madre are excellent examples, and he definitely deserved oscars for all three in my opinion. (Probably KL too but it's been awhile since I saw it)

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bogart was so good in this film. his eyes before he goes threw one of his fits is incredible. i love the scene where he's making her breakfast and he describes what makes a good love scene. brilliant.

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Seriously. More people should see this.

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In a Lonely Place is such a terrific movie. It's one of Nicholas Ray's best efforts and a film that sorely needs rediscovery by a wider audience.

Humphrey Bogart gives a brilliant performance of barely controlled menace as Dixon Steele, the alcoholic screenwriter whose uncontrollable temper and violent outbursts frighten new love Gloria Grahame into a paranoid panic. It was such a change to see Bogie play a tough guy who was not only cynical and hardboiled, but also neurotic, malevolent and downright disturbed. Grahame is equally good in one of her strongest roles. The studio wanted Lauren Bacall or Ginger Rogers for the role of Laurel, but eventually they agreed to Ray casting his then-wife Grahame. And thank God they did: she is magnificent in this movie. She plays Laurel Gray as a sympathetic, vulnerable, masochistic young woman whose fear of Bogart's temper leads her to suspect him of being a murderer and herself as his next intended victim. Bogart and Grahame spark off a very passionate and believable romantic chemistry that's as strong as the spark he had with Ingrid Bergman in Casablanca or Lauren Bacall in To Have and Have Not, The Big Sleep or Key Largo.

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In the chilling Dorothy B. Hughes novel it's loosely based on, the character of Dixon Steele is a completely sick, obsessive serial rapist and killer who stalks women on the streets at night and is so convinced that police can't catch him that he carelessly leaves clues lying around everywhere he goes. The film version Dix isn't already a killer, but on several occasions we see that he could easily snap and cross the line at any moment. The end is shockingly bleak and downbeat. It doesn't matter that Dix didn't actually commit the Mildred Atkinson murder he was under investigation for. By then Laurel knows that he is at least easily capable of it, and that's grounds enough for her to leave him. As she says, "Yesterday this would have meant so much to us. Now it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter at all."

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I wholeheartedly agree; I'm so happy that I discovered it in a very unorthodox way. I was browsing through Entertainment Weekly's internet site and stumbled across the name in a few places--it was mentioned as one of Nicholas Ray's best films (the other being "Rebel w/o a Cause"), it was on their list of "The Top 100 Movies You've Never Seen", etc. Now it feels like fate.

Humphrey Bogart will forever be immortalized by playing tough, cynical guys who are at heart a romantic and a little vulnerable. I think this role takes it a step further--he was never more tough, more romantic (I love the part where he's commenting about love scenes) or more terrifyingly dark. He had to do all that PLUS make us sympathize with Dixon. He succeeded brilliantly, because throughout the movie I kept on wanting and hoping for Laurel to be the one that saves him from his internal demons. I didn't like Gloria Grahame at first--I thought that she was a little too stiff--but I keep re-watching the interrogation scene and I realize how cool she was, how well she held her own against Bogart (not an easy task). It couldn't have been easy, because she was also separating from the director at the time. But you can't tell, she's that good. I wish Bogie was nominated for an Oscar for this movie, but the film actually lost money at the box office, and most audiences didn't like the downbeat ending (which I think is what everyone LOVES about the film), and it was forgotten after a while. BUT IT DESERVES AN AUDIENCE NOW!!

In a way, I think that both of these people needed saving, and they thought that love could be the cure. But I wonder if their love would've really have worked out, even if Laurel had found out in time...They seem to be in love more with the idea of life-saving love than each other. I could be wrong or pessimistic--or both--but that's my two cents.

Brilliant film, I hope it finds the audience it deserves so much.


Did he train you? Did he rehearse you? Did he tell you exactly what to do, what to say?!

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"Noir" doesn't necessarily mean the style of film itself or the cinematography. It can also describe an atmosphere of hopelessness and despair. If you want to read some of the bleakest, darkest novels ever written, read Cornell Woolrich. The despair just drips off the pages. He was one of the very, very few male authors who could write noir female roles convincingly.

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What this movie conveys powerfully is hopelessness and despair. There's a lot more to film noir than just checking off a lot of boxes that are taught in film class. That's just a starting point for beginners. Anybody with a lot of experience watching 1940s-1950s movies recognizes "In a Lonely Place" as essential film noir.

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It's an intriguing noir mystery. Bogart is really scary in this at times. But I feel that it's a more important from the perspective of Gloria Grahame, with her terrifically ambiguous character.

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